Getting your tone anywhere, everywhere
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MadWerewolfBoy
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I'm a guitarist and I faced this problem before and I was damn pissed cause I just can't seem to sound the same at every venue.. Being the mini control freak I am, I just bought a Pod X3 Live and fix my tone there straight to the house PA. Gives the greatest consistency when a band doesn't have a personal sound engineer.
For bass, well, should be the same concept la, but the subwoofers at the venue plays quite a large part of your tone. some places have some places only loudspeakers
For bass, well, should be the same concept la, but the subwoofers at the venue plays quite a large part of your tone. some places have some places only loudspeakers
Seems like we have similar methodology, except that I'm using analogue approach vs digital.
I'm using a Bass Preamp /DI to provide my constant tone.
Most of the time, the venue's Bass Amp will have an XLR Out. However, as I'm using the venue's bass amp as a monitor, I ask the Sound guy if I can use my own DI and that I will set my levels to suit his board.
This help to provide constant stable signal which will not be affected, when I have to turn up the amp's volume in the middle of the show. The FOH sound engineers is much happier as they don't need to manage changing sound levels in the middle of the show and I can manage my own stage sound.
But then, in venues that do not have a good FOH speakers and are using the amp itself for the audience sound, at least I can bypass the amp's preamp stage using my own preamp if needed to get my own tone.
I'm using a Bass Preamp /DI to provide my constant tone.
Most of the time, the venue's Bass Amp will have an XLR Out. However, as I'm using the venue's bass amp as a monitor, I ask the Sound guy if I can use my own DI and that I will set my levels to suit his board.
This help to provide constant stable signal which will not be affected, when I have to turn up the amp's volume in the middle of the show. The FOH sound engineers is much happier as they don't need to manage changing sound levels in the middle of the show and I can manage my own stage sound.
But then, in venues that do not have a good FOH speakers and are using the amp itself for the audience sound, at least I can bypass the amp's preamp stage using my own preamp if needed to get my own tone.
shinobi
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1. preamp/amp modelling, DI, FOH
2. your own rig, mic, FOH
if you are using borrowed equipment it would be too much to ask to get the same kind of tone everytime. amps and cabs colour the tone a GREAT deal.
if the venue is small AND with very good acoustics, i would bring my own amp and cab. my cab sucks, but i at least i know how to work a tone from it.
if i were to run a cable between the balanced output of my amp into the soundboard, i would use the monitors for monitoring. so i wouldn't even use a cab. this is to ensure that the sound that comes to me is as accurate a representation of the sound that goes to the audience as possible.
if i were to use a mic'ed cab setup, i would still use the monitors. additionally, i would prefer to block the sound that is coming from the cab. another benefit of this is to avoid interfering with other instruments that are mic'ed. but this is a rather complicated setup. i never go to such lengths to set up in such a manner, and i would never expect anyone to patronise such requests either.
if you want serious tone be prepared to get serious equipment and spend serious money. anything else would be classified as making the best of the situation. if not, beggars can't be choosy
2. your own rig, mic, FOH
if you are using borrowed equipment it would be too much to ask to get the same kind of tone everytime. amps and cabs colour the tone a GREAT deal.
if the venue is small AND with very good acoustics, i would bring my own amp and cab. my cab sucks, but i at least i know how to work a tone from it.
if i were to run a cable between the balanced output of my amp into the soundboard, i would use the monitors for monitoring. so i wouldn't even use a cab. this is to ensure that the sound that comes to me is as accurate a representation of the sound that goes to the audience as possible.
if i were to use a mic'ed cab setup, i would still use the monitors. additionally, i would prefer to block the sound that is coming from the cab. another benefit of this is to avoid interfering with other instruments that are mic'ed. but this is a rather complicated setup. i never go to such lengths to set up in such a manner, and i would never expect anyone to patronise such requests either.
if you want serious tone be prepared to get serious equipment and spend serious money. anything else would be classified as making the best of the situation. if not, beggars can't be choosy
drumandbass
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i find that amp modelling stuff are huge! E.g. Line 6.
I want something that is a good size to fit onto my pedalboard.
I doubt there's any right? Or am i wrong?
I want something that is a good size to fit onto my pedalboard.
I doubt there's any right? Or am i wrong?
jbarks
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Hi guys,
My policy is "got sound can already"
I run an ABY splitter to my REDDI and whatever amp they provide and send only the REDDI signal to FOH. I know the DI will put out a nice, strong signal that I already know and like, so everything else is up to the FOH guy. I try to keep the volume on my amp low so the FOH doesn't run into phase cancellation.
If you have your own sound engineer, even better, because s/he will know what you want to sound like already.
My policy is "got sound can already"
I run an ABY splitter to my REDDI and whatever amp they provide and send only the REDDI signal to FOH. I know the DI will put out a nice, strong signal that I already know and like, so everything else is up to the FOH guy. I try to keep the volume on my amp low so the FOH doesn't run into phase cancellation.If you have your own sound engineer, even better, because s/he will know what you want to sound like already.
shinobi
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if you're looking for analog then most of them will be in pedal form
as for digital, i suppose the whole digital setup is meant to eradicate the need for a pedalboard in the first place... hence the size
rottenramone
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for application anywhere, i just adjust a bit of the amp EQ (mids slightly scooped, treble cut off, bass loud loud). the rest are all fingers.
drumandbass
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hows the amp/cabs on the zoom? Not as much choices as the Line 6 ehh.
good, i love it, especially the zoom tube emulation - excellent. and the SWR and Trace Elliot emulation is really good too.
lordie
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it sounds great so far, and importantly it fitted nicely on the pedalboard.
drumandbass
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Yah.. its small and nice. Unlike Line 6. Which is huge. Even the Bass PodXT.
Dunno whether i should change to a Zoom. Using a BassPodXT now, the bean shaped one. But only use it for recordings. Live gigs have to compromise and use my analog effects only.
lordie
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so far the zoom works rather well, i love the Line6 stuff, but if they can convert from kidney bean shape to a smaller stomp box equivalent with all the amp/cab emulator, with DI, etc..etc.. like the zoom size. i grab it in a heartbeat.
for now i am sticking with the zoom it seems to work well.
for now i am sticking with the zoom it seems to work well.
shinobi
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ooh, my eq settings are kind of like 1 and a quarter periods of a cosine wave. other names include 'seagull banking starboard'.
it's just bass boost low mid cut hi mid boost treble cut
and fingers of course
drumandbass
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Hmm. I wonder whether it's possible to rehouse the entire POD.
It'll be wicked sick if its possible.
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