GET OUT OF THE DAMN BOX!!!

[ShredCow]

oh yeah and by the way... the example you gave on what to play over that progression.. isn't that still on scales? its all the same if you play scales

Ermm... yeah... its still on scales.. so in your books, as what you've said, its not considered out of the box to you... But to others, thats the first step to take.

I don't get it when you say its all the same if you play scales... wouldn't that apply to note choosing? Which would be choosing notes of a particular scale?
Different scales or if you may, different note choices, give different sounds and can alter the feel of a song...

 

[ShredCow]

although i just started Jazz Theory on the piano last week , i guess i could impress my teacher with the kind of info i absorbed during the improvisation lesson u gave on ur first thread...

Man... I hate jazz... I struggle to improvise over those weird chords all the time! Its so hard to SOUND jazz and not bluesy or rockish!
Those wonderful jazz chords are a pain too... you really got to know the notes that make up the chord and not stick to certain chord shapes... No wonder jazz players have this complete mastery over what they want to play and it fits in... unless its free form jazz.... :lol:

I hope you can steal as much as you can from my post! Go kick up something good man... :twisted:

 

[MrRhoads]

i believe shredcows post this with a good cause. He's encouraging us to explore more and thus able to add extra taste to our playing. don't care whether we should play in the box or outside the box... just play wut u think is nice. but .. explore.

 

[Vaiyen]

hi shredcow, do you feel thst jazz instrumentals lack feel, as opposed to rock or blues instrumentals?

I always thought its due to the lack of bending, or legato, in jazz.

 

[Vaiyen]

first, let me qualify that I am hardly well-versed in jazz.

 

[MrRhoads]

hehe different feel i guess? in my opinion .. jazz got alot of feel. trying listen to players like pat metheny, larry carlton, jeff golub.

 

[ShredCow]

hi shredcow, do you feel thst jazz instrumentals lack feel, as opposed to rock or blues instrumentals?

I personally don't like most jazz instrumentals.... being that the improvisation that the musicians do, it just goes by and at the end of the day, what did that guy play?

But as for feel in jazz... Its in the note choices... jazz is abt pure unadulterated freedom, play what you want, anything goes, its jazz... I could be wrong, and I think I am wrong in saying the above (still a rock player at heart) ... but yeah, I don't think jazz players would say that they are any less feeling that that superb blues/rock player.

Hmmmm... for the lack of bending and legato... legato is used pretty much in jazz, Allen Holdsworth is one player... Bends is something uncommon in jazz but I don't think doing no bends would equate to less feel, a piano can't bend for example...
Bending is just what we are used to hearing on the guitar and its taught that its THE way to express emotion, like vibrato... Jazz dudes think otherwise apparently... :roll: Strange dudes I say...

 

[dhalif]

i understand that your thread is for a good cause \m/

 

[ShredCow]

i understand that your thread is for a good cause \m/

Thanks man...

 

[dhalif]

but i guess we're just two different people.. and we have our own answers to these questions.. keep posting stuff on OM dan \m/ (im not going for post count hor.. just forgot to put down stuff)

 

[ShredCow]

but i guess we're just two different people.. and we have our own answers to these questions.. keep posting stuff on OM dan \m/ (im not going for post count hor.. just forgot to put down stuff)

True true... I see you as a person who prefer to follow one's heart.. and play what comes to your heart. In that sense, I guess you would say that scales are boxes that make you stick to a certain way of playing...

On the other hand... my hand actually... haha... I find scales the way to expand one's horizons because we are generally safe musicians... The rock musician is nearly always messes with pentatonics, the indian sitar player with his unique indian scales, the jazz player with dorian/lydian/diminished scales... Without scales, i find that one cannot break out of their comfort zone, you'd just play whats natural to you...
But then, like what I've been told before, I sound too technical and lose that "feel"...

So give or take... I respect you for following your heart... but hey, why not try to do a song in the Lydian mode? Ala Flying in a Blue Dream? :wink:

 

[Vaiyen]

Or Steve Vai's The Animal. That song has an awesome groove and vibe and it's one of my faves.

 

[DoubleBlade]

for a pianist/keyboardist , all i have to do is move my 3 , 5 , or 7 fingers up or down one semitone and i'll get a different variation of a chord :lol:

 

[teleholic]

+1 to your first post shredcow...i too am pretty sick of myself sticking in my comfort zone, literally have to force myself to think differently and play differently nowadays..here's another way to sound slightly different..using C major and A minor as an example...we know the notes of the C major scale and A minor are the same, just starting with different notes..so when u encounter a C major chord, try improvising in A minor..you'll be in key yet sound slightly different cos of the minor tonality with which you're soloing..and vice versa..and try other keys/scales too to achieve some wierd sounds..cheers..

 

[dhalif]

minor on major.. major on minor..

 

[Musicology]

i really can't understand how a keyboardist change keys and still be able to retain all their licks. Maybe that's why they normally start out to hav better ears.

 

[Cavett]

i really can't understand how a keyboardist change keys and still be able to retain all their licks. Maybe that's why they normally start out to hav better ears.

Sorry... I have to disagree with that statement...

 

[veganbleu]

i really can't understand how a keyboardist change keys and still be able to retain all their licks. Maybe that's why they normally start out to hav better ears.

Sorry... I have to disagree with that statement...

I agree, i don't think they necessarily start out with better ears.

 

[Mr_KeyboardMan]

i really can't understand how a keyboardist change keys and still be able to retain all their licks. Maybe that's why they normally start out to hav better ears.

There's a keyboard function called "transpose" to change keys ... he he he 8)

 

[Musicology]

oh well... maybe its just me. Most of the keyboardist and pianist I know of (that are around grade 8 ) have very good ear. Generally, They might not be too technically good but they can pick up fast tunes very well and very early too. Think its just me .

I would think its due to their playing rely on keys (unlike frets with alternate fingerings) that have very distinct intervals and they are fond of reading scores in their head.

Transpose keys?? Haha...really don't notice those. Will be cool to see a keyboardist playing in C all the way .