Fury grows over Denmark cartoons

[AJP]

Well it's blasphemy as the call it to draw cartoon caricatures of the prophets in Islam as what their book says.

It's funny how they protest alot about the Prophet Muhammad when their other Prophet (Jesus) was also drawn.

They have every right to practice their freedom of speech but what is rights when there is empathy and compassion which this editors serious lack of.

 

[madmonkeykungfu]

I guess many things happen because of political agendas behind it.

I read somewhere that other than the 12 Danish cartoons, an additional 3 (which is more offensive, and one even included beastiality) from an unknown source has been circulating around.

Looks like this unknown source is trying to add fuel to the conflict now, for their own selfish reasons.

So far the thread has been going quite good.

PS: To lock this thread would mean that you don't give a chance to this thread for fear of it being overboard, and this is also similar to why some people don't give local music a chance because they think the bands suck from the start.

 

[MichaelAngelo]

hmm..im a christian, so when people make insulting art forms, eg. those from anti-christ bands, do i have to be angry till the point of killing? Also, to curse by saying "Jesus Christ! WTF is wrong with you?!" or anything like that, is considered blesphemous as stated in the bible, so why are we just tolerating it? I worked under a muslim manager before and he kept cursing like that, and making insulting comments about Jesus Christ, I felt very terrible, but I did not scold him or condemn him for it, because I thought that he just didnt have enough understanding about my religion, thus the insensitivity. I think no matter wat religion u are from, the message preached is "Goodwill, peace...etc.", so we ought to practice that as much as we defend our religion. Well, im not giving this as a politically correct answer just bcos im a christian. I've been the specific target of a racial-religious attack by a muslim on a blog before, all because me n 2 friends were a bit noisy during a lecture, she posted something like "I want to chop of their testosterone(should be testicles?) and feed it to the pigs, and when those dirty chinese boys eat the pigs, they are eating their own testosterone(again, should be testicles?!" of course wat i quoted is just the main idea, it was a bit fiercer than that...Well, I didnt make any police report or she'd become labelled as a racist blogger too...Just relax, practice what u preach, and dont get infuriated so easily. If someone does something thats not acceptable to your religion, im sure u believe that your God will punish those people, and thats enough, no need to get angry and spoil your image further.(this is directed to anyone of any religion, not just Islam or Christianity)

Peace to all!

 

[AJP]

I worked under a muslim manager before and he kept cursing like that, and making insulting comments about Jesus Christ, I felt very terrible, but I did not scold him or condemn him for it, because I thought that he just didnt have enough understanding about my religion

He too doesn't have an understanding of his own religion as he's insulting his own prophet which is equivalent to insulting Muhammad, Moses whoever in the lineage.

It's a pity you meet such sadistic people. But hey, shit happens.

 

[wyldeboon]

yo michael angelo..... sad to hear abt ur sori... yeah they sucks....
its true tat all religions teach peace among all human being or everitink.....but ther's always a bad egg...or should i say bad eggS

 

[emphibian]

whatchamightcallit

cause and effect.

the practice of something radical leads to a radical reaction.
don’t misunderstand this as though I’m supporting the damages done.

you can't expect to write a script for everyone to behave after such a thing has been done. besides, there are people out there who are just as outraged as those people shown burning and everything else that they do, but they chose not to be vocal or extremely expressive of their views. so i'm guessing, if these people, the quiet angry men, were shown on news instead of the loud angry people, the media wouldn't have anything interesting to show at the end of the day. come to think of it, i think we all are interested in the louder things in life.

since freedom of speech is practiced, everyone should be prepared to face a consequence for that very act itself. practicing freedom of speech doesn’t qualify you to act like a complete idiot and be excused.

i hope for the benefit of those protesting, that these people are against the fact that those drawings were published, not because it was drawn in the first place.

mockery has been a widespread anyway, so this isn't new.

it is pointless to argue with a fool. first he will bring you down to his level. and would defeat you with his experience.

 

[detroit_red]

hmm..im a christian, so when people make insulting art forms, eg. those from anti-christ bands, do i have to be angry till the point of killing? Also, to curse by saying "Jesus Christ! huh is wrong with you?!" or anything like that, is considered blesphemous as stated in the bible, so why are we just tolerating it? I worked under a muslim manager before and he kept cursing like that, and making insulting comments about Jesus Christ,

Peace to all!

Unless he's really stupid, he doesn't know that Muslims take insulting Jesus very seriously too. And to the guy saying since Jesus is drawn and should piss muslims off, no, cause they usually draw pics of jesus christ from how christians believe christ looked this way or that way and not the artist own interpretation ..

 

[gutturalpiss]

The issue is more/mostly on Freedom of Expression. It is stated in the Qu'ran that no person is to depict God or The Prophet, or any of The Messengers, including Jesus. But then, Christianity made it possible to depict Jesus, so it can't be helped there.

 

[mercy]

The issue is more/mostly on Freedom of Expression. But then, Christianity made it possible to depict Jesus, so it can't be helped there.

and how exactly does christianity make it possible?

 

[One]

Re: whatchamightcallit

cause and effect.
it is pointless to argue with a fool. first he will bring you down to his level. and would defeat you with his experience.

i like wat u said man...its really true if u sit n think abt it...nice one.

 

[gutturalpiss]

and how exactly does christianity make it possible?

uhh..like...dude..statues? mosaics? churches? The Vatican?

 

[mercy]

tht's not christian...tht's catholic....we christians stick to the cross only...at least to what i know.....

 

[somebody]

well Jesus Christ wasnt just God, He was also fully man. and a man has a face. so does any other prophets. there is no big issue on the putting a face to anyone. lets get back to the topic shall we?

reacting in a way that's against what your religion teaches and believes in, is pure stupidity.
doesnt get you anywhere; even if people insult you. shows just how much you really practice what you preach.

 

[MichaelAngelo]

and how exactly does christianity make it possible?

uhh..like...dude..statues? mosaics? churches? The Vatican?

haha, yup, all that stuff is catholic. Its vastly different from christianity. Eg. my church doesnt have any statues/paintings of jesus christ/mosaics/mother mary..hehe..Anyway, that was just to clear the air, didnt mean to digress.

thanks guys for your empathy regarding what i experienced, i just assume that those who make insults against my God are just ignorant of some significances, which is why they appear insensitive, in the same way, hope that we all can kind of tolerate each other more.

 

[spitfire_121]

first of all i would like to say, drawing of the cartoons is not for 'jest' as someone here mentioned. drawing the cartoon of the prophet AND portraying him as a terrorist is a sign of disrespect to islam. y draw the prophet? wat acts of terrorism has he done? nothing. y not draw a cartoon of osama bin laden? then we muslims will haf nothing to be angry about because he IS a terrorist. this juz goes to show that they were targeting THE RELEGION and not juz trying to inject humor into our oh so boring lives.

secondly on the reaction of the muslims. nw wat u guys say here is wrng. THE MUSLIMS. thats called generalising. hw many muslims do u see in singapore weilding knives and burning the danish flag etc.? so far none. wat u guys have been seeing is violence among muslims in the middle east, indonesia etc. one thing in common in these places;violence. these people live in a place where killing is a norm. they haf been so exposed to violence that they are numb to it. to them, it is just another way of voicing their anger. in other countries however, muslims do other peaceful things to voice their anger eg. peaceful demonstration, dialogues etc. this is our way of showing our anger because we were brought up in peace all our lives. those in the middle east however dun haf that luxury. violence is their only soultion to them. im am not saying wat they did is right. it is wrong to kill innocent people. bt its the circumstances that make them do it, their surroundings, how they were brought up.

oh and michaelangelo, ur boss is an arse. islam teaches us to respect all relegions. i hope u dont bear any grudges against muslims because of that incident. its people like this that gives islam a bad name.

juz my point of view on this. cheers!

 

[gutturalpiss]

well Jesus Christ wasnt just God, He was also fully man. and a man has a face. so does any other prophets. there is no big issue on the putting a face to anyone

well in Islam it is a big issue to put a face to a Messenger of God.

tht's not christian...tht's catholic....we christians stick to the cross only

well i do see loads of Christian Paintings depicting Jesus. Catholics, Protestants, Anglicans, are branches of Christianity are they not? Like there are the Sufi & Shia of Islam. But anyways, check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_art

A crucifix is a cross with a representation of Jesus's body, or corpus (plural, corpora). It is a principal symbol of the Christian religion

 

[Fruitwine]

gutturalpiss, u might wanna note that those of us who believe in Jesus, the Lord, the Holy Spirit etc, sometimes use the term "christian" to collectively refer to all, and can be divided into the denominations of christianity, which u already mentioned (its kinda messy, but catholism isn't a "branch" of christianity actually, its complicated :? ). however, some of these denominations, or branches if u will, choose to only have the cross as their symbol. its their choice. by the way, we catholics are sometimes refered to as christians, like in my IC, there isn't an option for "Roman Catholic" so it printed christian.

this was just to clarify a little, sincere apologies for moving away from the thread's original topic.

 

[gutturalpiss]

Yeah Fruitwine thtz what i was trynna point out anyway. Catholic or not you're still Christian one way or another.

 

[Phil]

btw phil which school are u from, r u from fairfield sec? i remember there's a dude who started some website to scorn at the principal...dun tell me u're tt guy!

No, I am not the person you are referring to.
I am in IJC. Heh.

 

[knightlaughalot]

On the context of the cartoon controversy, well personally in a straightforward point of view, i think that the cartoons shouldn't have been drawn despite the ability of Speech freedom. The cartoon editors shouldn't be oblivious to the fact that one of the biggest problems in the world now are currently initiated by terrorists. these extremists are located most in the middle eastern area. if the editors are totally oblivious to these problems and still insisted on depicting the image of prophet Muhammed, i think it might be an act of senseless retribution back to the islamic extremists. a baby would know better than to not put his hand in the fire. same concept applies to the cartoon.

Osama published to the world at 9/11 that the US shouldn't be displaying signs of powere over the world, that they're not allowed to.the strings of acts of terrorism following were carried out by(if i'm not wrong, and no offence) clerics. clerics who passed the message on to the fellow believers about killing infidels who are non-believers of the god.(i mean this in no offence please =]) its been stretched on ever since. so out of barbaric ways, the situation was just aggravated more when the cartoons were published. this is the part where i go, world peace my ***. as long as there is more than one person in this world, there will always be differences.

freedom of speech isn't a factor, its an excuse. it just shows that when someone says something stupid, he covers his mistake up with the 'freedom of speech'. its been so widely abused that it has no meaning any longer. its like watching reruns of jay leno making fun of the president. that's why i kinda like this point made earlier.
"since freedom of speech is practiced, everyone should be prepared to face a consequence for that very act itself. practicing freedom of speech doesn’t qualify you to act like a complete idiot and be excused"

so as to summarise everything i've said to answer the main points of this forum, i think the act of drawing the cartoon was ridiculous because in my opinion, if carefully thought through, no sensible human being would aggravate such a situation in such a way unless it was deliberate which would make these editors as barbaric as the terrorists.

and clearly because of this situation, it'll terrorist a reason to act as they are. because these editors have clearly given them leeway and a reason to creating more havoc. still of course its not rational to be going around killing random people or destroying buildings.but if i were to blame anyone, i'd blame the editors because if there was no cartoon, there'll be no CARTOON controversy.