ever wanted to look in the eyes of a truely insane person?

hey..this woman's got it all wrong man, she says that God is and will punish people who break the 10 commandments...if thats the case, then what did Jesus die for? the bible says He died for humans because none could keep the law of moses to the holy standard that God demanded, thats why He had to die n receive the punishment of all mankind on his own body in their place. I write this not to contradict other religions or whatsoever, but to explain that this is the story written in the bible for Christians, God is love, and that woman...totally got it all wrong man...:( she seems totally insane...smiling away coldly and ranting on. :twisted:
 
ShredCow said:
Why bring us down to the level of an animal? Is that all to being human? That a dog, rat, baboon is on the same level as us? Ethics and upbringing are foreign to animals. They are lesser.

I do not support homosexuality but neither do I hate them. In fact, I wish to help them see the light that homosexuality was never intended to be, and will never be, the norm.

On another note, don't we all see a trend going on?

The world getting more and more liberal and "open", but at what price?

Its a natural steady decline of humanity as a whole and one of the main causes of the breakdown (At this point) is this whole concept of post modernistic thinking: "you have your view point, I have mine, please don't infringe". As a result of such mindsets, Ethics and Morality have degenerated to such a point where people do things their own way and thats it. You can't tell me what to do. And I wouldn't have to listen anyway.
We will have a modern day Sodom and Gomorrah.

Animals were brought into the picture earlier on, I was merely making reference to that.

The exact opposite of the liberal world would be a hitler-like perfect dictorship where there is a strong and just ruler who will rule forever and never die or be overthrown. He will make the best decisions in favour of the world as a whole, usually meaning sacrficing the lives of a few. China ruled and flourished for many many years on this method. As potrayed in the movie "Hero" where Jet Li's character sacrificed his life, and the many that will soon die because he did not kill the emperor, so as to achieve the "greater good" of unifying china and in so bringing peace and prosperity.

There are very good arguments for both styles of government.
A country with one very great and wise dictator will flourish and prosper like no other, because everyone will be working for one single goal, and not looking out for their own needs. On the other hand, the single wise dictator will not live forever and it is because of bad successors that the old kingdoms fail.
A country with a perfect democracy will have no biasness, no sacrificing of one man for another. Everyone will have their own rights and are equal. On the otherhand, it will be chaotic and unruly, with people demonstrating and complaining all the time, fighting for their own rights, because they are allowed to.

The world strives for a balance between the two. So as to be as fair to everyone as possible, while being powerful.

The reason why the world is moving towards more liberalism is education. In the past you could tell people, "you are the lower class, you do what I say." Things go smoothly, and efficiently.
With education more people are saying, "Hey why do I have to do this, I have my rights." Things slow down.

So how? Do we remove education? Do we reintroduce a class system? Who decides who is to be in the lower class? Imagine if the entire world was well educated. Who's going to clean the toilets? Who's going to sweat in the hot sun? Who's going to produce your cheap pack of yummy thai rice?

To many of you, the world seems to be in a worse state because of certain groups of people. Well, if the world was to be in a perfect state, we need someone to sweat in the fields producing rice day in and day out. Would you be willing to volunteer?

Look from a bigger perspective, every one of us is stepping on the heads of many many many abused people to enjoy the luxary that we have. It seems distant because you don't see it and don't think about it. Not feeling guilty about paying 50cents for a plate of rice did with $20 worth of labour is enough, there's no need to further look for people to judge.

Going one big round, I was intending to address this:
In fact, I wish to help them see the light that homosexuality was never intended to be, and will never be, the norm.

In this, you are imposing your view that you are right and they are wrong. You know better than them. Which is, judging them.



Would the world be better with one singular ruler, or if everybody was equal? The question will probably never be answered. But it's a very good thought exercise.
 
theblueark said:
...The exact opposite of the liberal world would be a hitler-like perfect dictorship where there is a strong and just ruler who will rule forever and never die or be overthrown. He will make the best decisions in favour of the world as a whole, usually meaning sacrficing the lives of a few....

That's right. But only when we are looking at it from a humanistic, fallible viewpoint. Maybe when we meet again, I'll get the chance to tell you more about my views and well, lets just have a chill out session over some coffee.


theblueark said:
Going one big round, I was intending to address this:
In fact, I wish to help them see the light that homosexuality was never intended to be, and will never be, the norm.

In this, you are imposing your view that you are right and they are wrong. You know better than them. Which is, judging them.

Exactly. Judging is a necessity to bring people back to a common set of morals/ethics/laws.

Otherwise, there would be no help for the alcoholic. The drug abusers. The porn addicts. There's no need to help them because no one is supposed to lay their convictions on each another.

But like what I said above, I have a different viewpoint and my convictions are not based on what I think of. :)
 
gays are people too just like us...one's sexual orientation doesn't make him or her less of a person deserving respect and dignity :roll: :roll: i've hung out with gay guys before and they're really great and fun people, not stereotypical demons who can't wait to pounce on straight guys like you and me :roll: ingrates like her who disrespect the very people who risked and sacrificed their lives so that looney fanatics like her can carry on with her stupid practices deserve to be exiled to countries like afghanistan ... may that will teach this nutcase to appreciate how fortunate she is imo she's just another one of those cult-like psychos in the same league as charles manson, adolf hitler and iranian president ahmedinejad.
 
I SUPPORT GAY RIGHTS!

if only both partners are girls.

So if any of you Christians/Muslims/Jews/Buddhist/Hindu, whatever disagrees with me......






err..God still loves you..

um..yay...

Not that I'm gay or anything.

Anyways theres bound to be weird nuts in every religion who takes the 'scriptures' too literally. It's usually the Abrahamic religions, not only Christianity. So it's a balanced and fair world I guess.
 
theblueark said:
Going one big round, I was intending to address this:
In fact, I wish to help them see the light that homosexuality was never intended to be, and will never be, the norm.

In this, you are imposing your view that you are right and they are wrong. You know better than them. Which is, judging them.


Going by your belief then everyone is neither right nor wrong in whatever they do. Then people like the jihadists who kill many during 911 are neither right nor wrong. Otherwise, you too would be judging these people rite?

Personally I belief that there is a higher set of moral values that we should all live by. And not a different standard for different set for everyone.
 
Imagine this.
You are born in a country constantly oppressed and used by other countries.
You live in poverty and suffering on most days.
You are brought up with a set of moral values which teach you that a jihad is the right thing to do.

Now, really, really imagine this, put yourself in the people's shoes. Imagine yourself born there, living their life there, being taught the things you were taught.

Is it so hard to understand why they did what they did?

It's not the right thing to do, but can you symphatise with them? Or do you close your mind and say, no they are wrong and we are right.

When you watched V for Vendetta, were you on the side of V or for the government? V was a terrorist! He killed people! He imposed his judgement and said, these are the bad guys, I will kill them. How is that any different from any other terrorist? Because you watched the show and decided that ya, he's right, they are bad guys? Maybe there is some side that you did not see. Some part that you did not understand. Is that not a possibility? Are you in Afganistan? Are you going through what they are going through? No, we are sitting comfortably at home in air conditioned rooms in $100 chairs that would feed poor children for months and saying "Hey guys, stop that, don't fight la."

Personally I belief that there is a higher set of moral values that we should all live by. And not a different standard for different set for everyone.

The question is which is the set for everyone to follow? Why don't we all follow the Al Queda's values? That way we will live in peace correct? If the whole world lives under one value, there will be peace. The problem is people like you whom are educated and asking for such a case, will in fact fight that value when it is put up, simply because it is not yours.

The highest efficiency system is that of one dictatorship and a class system with open communication lines but no questioning of authority. People work when told. Now, lets imagine that for simplicity, the caucasions are made the higher class, the planners. Malays and chinese are the work, producing food and buildings. Would you fight this, and why?
 
theblueark said:
Imagine this.
You are born in a country constantly oppressed and used by other countries.
You live in poverty and suffering on most days.....


I'm glad that there are people like u in this forum, who think with an open mind.

BTW( not directed at theblueark), I don't see anything 'wrong' with homosexuality or bisexuality, even though I'm hetro. I encourage everyone to think for themselves, rather than just accepting 'facts' blindly. Of course, I've made those mistakes myself, haha, and probably will again in the furure. If,after spending time to analyse with an open mind, u still decide that homosexuality is 'wrong', that's ok too. It's up to u to model ur thoughts and actions.
 
Ever notice her plastic smile that she has...its kinda weird and demented. And those eyes that looks kinda possessed.
 
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