Even in flood, India's `untouchables' last rescued

[betsybug]

martel=But when you go to social gatherings you better stick to your own kind,dude.

And we wonder why archaic values still cause problems in today's world?
Martel, I'll be sure to remember this if there is a flood and I come around in a boat.

 

[martel]

THOA,nope there are a lot of tamil or kerela Brahmins,also sindhis brahmin,but most sindhis have converted to Muslims due to history. It is the born into thingy.Definitely not the colour,colour matters not.

 

[martel]

betsybug,what is your caste?

 

[wyldeboon]

Its something to do with how the society was. In simple terms, the kings would have scholars (priests and teachers) , warriers and rulers, farmers, traders, artists and labourers in their kingdom.

Scholars - Brahmins
Warriers and rulers - Ksatriyas
Farmers, traders, artists - Vaisyas
Labourers - Sudras

i learned tis in school long long long time back...
nvr learn abt it being involved in DNA etc.

vimal's from India, he made a smart move coming in here n migrating to europe.
he learnt in 1st hand in his motherland...
my bro in law (an indian), explained to me the same thing abt caste


or...


is it just totally different explanations/stories?
from wat we learned in schools to wat were in thousands of history books?

ok i'm lost... but still... if help is needed, 1 shouldnt follow any levels.
be it u r the lowest or highest. u r still human

 

[betsybug]

martel=betsybug,what is your caste?

Klingon warrior

 

[THOA]

THOA,it's very natural for people to save their own skin or own kind. In times of emergency i am sure more people of their own types will be saved. Only exemption should be Michael Jackson

There is one account by someone on youtube who had experienced the flood first hand. He relates to the story of how he had spent a few hours after he and his family were rescued. They were in a vicinity where there is enough space for everyone, but was forced to stand tightly packed with the other victims of the disaster, while they wait for a rescue bus (a school bus) that comes every 4 hours.

At one point of time a Caucasian family came to the rescue point. The military ushered them to the front of the row (there was no elderly or disabled in that family), and made them get on the bus first. When their actions were questioned, the soldiers threatened to mace.

Here is the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4oEX_bL158
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhySZq_dNZY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Cqr54nxh1I&feature=related

 

[martel]

Yes,everyone is human,i never disprove that. But the characteristics which makes a sudra a sudra and a brahmin a brahmin should be clearly distinquished. Running away from homeland and mingle with other races are alright,but ignoring your own caste is like forgetting your parents,not a very intelligent move.

 

[widdly]

Why do we need to be sensitive here? Caste discrimination was banned in the Indian constitution in 1949, in much the same way burning of the Hindu wife at the husband's funeral was banned in 1829.

 

[martel]

Betsybuy, Lord Vishnu is kind and loving. If you are close to him daily,his hammer will not hit you so hard. But if you think that you can rescue someone because you got onto a boat,then best of luck to you,maybe while you attempt to save me,i drag you down the sea also.

 

[THOA]

THOA,nope there are a lot of tamil or kerela Brahmins,also sindhis brahmin,but most sindhis have converted to Muslims due to history. It is the born into thingy.Definitely not the colour,colour matters not.

Thank you very much for clarifying that. I had the impression that it's all a matter of colour.

"It is a born into thing". So that means there is no chance of changing caste? Can a "criminal" DNA not be redeemed?

 

[wyldeboon]

so if i were of the lowest of the lowest of the lowest caste... (the damn blardy lowest)...

i should let it be? and still be the lowest? stay n be the untouchables?
not exploring the world?


its nvr abt running away or 4getting the parents.

i dun even think the parents want their children to suffer.

 

[martel]

Why do we need to be sensitive here? Caste discrimination was banned in the Indian constitution in 1949, in much the same way burning of the Hindu wife at the husband's funeral was banned in 1829.

Because society will be totally mess up when Sudras run the top and Brahmins are denied their rightful rights. which is happening now.

 

[martel]

wyldeboon, if you are born into a certain caste then you ought to do your rightful duties to let society move in the intended directions.Not trying to rule over others when you have the sudra quality or try to become a Teacher thus misleading youths.In other words, if someone's caste is Sudra,just serve the other 3 upper castes and work your salvation up.

 

[theunknown]

if its determined by DNA, can u ever lie ur way around and say ure a brahmin descendent of the great someone? like whos gonna check ur dna everytime?

were the people classified last time once or if ur career change, u change caste too? like someone said and i learnt that brahmins are scholars. if u bornt as sudras but become a scholar how?

 

[widdly]

Because society will be totally mess up when Sudras run the top and Brahmins are denied their rightful rights. which is happening now.

Sure smells like bigotry to me.

 

[martel]

Thank you very much.

"It is a born into thing". So that means there is no chance of changing caste? Can a "criminal" DNA not be redeemed?

You are welcome. Regarding Criminal's DNA,it is not a subject within my field. However,just as there is no chance of one changing their racial identity,they are absolutely no chance of changing caste. However,changes can come by the will of the creator of the caste systems.

 

[wyldeboon]

martel: i dun reli understand wat u mean. no offence.
i just feel tat some stuff u mentioned to me is a little 'not-tat-good'. but i respected tat.

its only to me, wat i'm trying to say is.
if 1 is the lowest,he dun have to stay the lowest. yes tat the caste system is practiced in such a way but i just find it funny.

if to stay and 'serve' the higher caste, maybe... will remain the same.

if go overseas, study, work, etc... then...will nvr be the lowest. dun have to be highest either.


hope u get wa i mean... sumtimes i dun either

 

[betsybug]

martel=But if you think that you can rescue someone because you got onto a boat,then best of luck to you,maybe while you attempt to save me,i drag you down the sea also.

This makes no sense at all. I am not the one who is saying:
- we should all stick to our own kind
- that somehow there is a whole stratum of people who are born criminals (yes, every man jack of them)
- that whether we are good or evil is imprinted in our DNA
- that local-born Singapore Indians are of the low castes (and by this inane logic must therefore be criminally inclined)

I am much aggrieved our immigration policies allows an influx of people with patently outdated values that runs counter to the national values here. Oh wait, maybe it's just my unsophisticated Klingon thinking.

 

[Krist]

i just want all girls here to noe this.

once u're with an indian guy, then only will u fully understand the fundamental elements of The Kamasutra..

 

[martel]

if its determined by DNA, can u ever lie ur way around and say ure a brahmin descendent of the great someone? like whos gonna check ur dna everytime?

were the people classified last time once or if ur career change, u change caste too? like someone said and i learnt that brahmins are scholars. if u bornt as sudras but become a scholar how?

No,how can you lie when the Lord is watching? If you fake your caste,the real brahmins can find out very easily.And every endeavours you did in india will fail.It is very big crime to report false identity,just as in countries outside india. Mark this, if you are a born a sudra it is very difficult for you to even study properly,and even if you make it in other countries,chances are your character will reveal more about you than your PHD will. Because you belong to the low.