Dimarzio tonezone VS Dimarzio breed

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i got a les paul similar guitar. juz wonder which PUP iz better. dis guitar iz mainly for rock songs, i got my really high o/p PUPs (EMG81)for my metal songs. so i'm lookin sumthin which iz not not dat super high o/p.

i need sumthin dat can gimme decent cleans & nice thick dist. i like lotsa bass & mids & juz enuff treble to cut thru. i was checkin out duncan's JB, find the tone bit treble (accordin to seymour duncan.com JB tone iz 8treble, 6mid, 5 bass)

ohh have i forget to mention i prefer alnico Vs den ceramics. juz find ceramics bit too harsh & thin. no offence & hard feelin to ceramics & JB supporters :wink:
 
Nice. I've used BOTH of them in my mahogany body Saber.

The Tonezone has tremendous bass and is retarded fat. We all know that. :P So if your LP is inherently FAT and Bassy sounding... you might, just might have an issue there. Also a Tonezone has a slightly flabby low end... kind of loose, not a biggie, but it might irk you. Its an in your face tone basically... great harmonics. Cleans... well... thick cleans lah. Nothing much to yak about.

The Breed bridge is something else. Take the Tonezone, but tighten the bass, shift the mids so it ain't so vocal like (awwwww) and make it vintage voiced. Very nice. Harmonics are a touch harder to get, again, no biggie. Not so in you face, great balance IMO Cleans are great, esp when split.

I would recommend the Breed bridge. Versatile. Only gripe abt the Breed bridge is that it sounds like a great humbucker... and thats it. Nothing outstanding or "special" , just does the job and does it well.

If you want somehting modern voiced, but afriad the Tonezone will mud out or prefer better cleans.... as in more sparkling, snappy cleans... Consider the discontinued Dimarzio Double Whammy. I used it in my Saber too.. excellent excellent pup. Good fatness, good tight bass, not so in your face... strangely, due to the way its EQ is structured, the Double Whammy chugs harder than the TZ/Breed. Plus I'm selling it. 8)
 
subversion said:
Duncan JB fan here 8)

a little misleading, the tone-chart. my JB humbucker has more lower midrange than treble.
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thanx sub.
i always heard ppl complain abt JB thin soundin. but guys like dave mustaine(although i find his tone bit cuttin) & chris amott(arch enemy axman) got nice tone.

but den again all dis pro recordings have lotsa processin, so its kinda hard to judge

my main role in the band mostly rhythm gtr, so i like like really nice thick dist tones dats not too muddy. of cos the cleans gotta be decent, dun hv to be super shimmerin. i got a tele to do dat job liao
 
listen to these 2 people to hear how the JB serves black metal/ fusion:

1. Emperor- Imperial LIVE ceremony (Jackson RR + JB bridge. guitarist: SAMOTH)
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2.Frank Gambale/ Track: She knows me well (The Great Explorers)/ Guitar- Ibanez S540 + Duncan JB bridge)
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ShredCow said:
Nice. I've used BOTH of them in my mahogany body Saber.

The Tonezone has tremendous bass and is retarded fat. We all know that. :P So if your LP is inherently FAT and Bassy sounding... you might, just might have an issue there. Also a Tonezone has a slightly flabby low end... kind of loose, not a biggie, but it might irk you. Its an in your face tone basically... great harmonics. Cleans... well... thick cleans lah. Nothing much to yak about.

The Breed bridge is something else. Take the Tonezone, but tighten the bass, shift the mids so it ain't so vocal like (awwwww) and make it vintage voiced. Very nice. Harmonics are a touch harder to get, again, no biggie. Not so in you face, great balance IMO Cleans are great, esp when split.

I would recommend the Breed bridge. Versatile. Only gripe abt the Breed bridge is that it sounds like a great humbucker... and thats it. Nothing outstanding or "special" , just does the job and does it well.

If you want somehting modern voiced, but afriad the Tonezone will mud out or prefer better cleans.... as in more sparkling, snappy cleans... Consider the discontinued Dimarzio Double Whammy. I used it in my Saber too.. excellent excellent pup. Good fatness, good tight bass, not so in your face... strangely, due to the way its EQ is structured, the Double Whammy chugs harder than the TZ/Breed. Plus I'm selling it. 8)
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thanx cow.
not big ibanez fan, although i mite consider gettin SZ520 or 720. i'm more into thick necks & thick bodies. dats y i going 4 LPs :D

like my ltd ed washburn with 2 EMGs u saw @ malcom's

cant get versatile sound frm EMGs, only gd 4 chuggin metal songs.

seems like breed iz better choice den tonezone. but its always to try the thing myself on the gtr i wanna chg PUPs.
 
OH!.. ahahaha... can't rem who you are lah. :P Now I know..

Well well well... Allow me to recommend something.. out of the ordinary.

A Breed neck in bridge.

If you like your tones defined, crisp and crunchy. Good bite (not as much as ceremic though) and good bass. It makes mahogany open up, so to speak... makes it clearer.


And yes, I've done it before. :P
 
subversion said:
listen to these 2 people to hear how the JB serves black metal/ fusion:

1. Emperor- Imperial LIVE ceremony (Jackson RR + JB bridge. guitarist: SAMOTH)


2.Frank Gambale/ Track: She knows me well (The Great Explorers)/ Guitar- Ibanez S540 + Duncan JB bridge)
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thanx sub
i'll listen to dis 2 guys.

but i find most black metal band's instrument kinda loose, cos they got keyboards & the recordin not dat in ur face. so it mite be hard to judge on the emperor's gtr tone.

i haven't heard abt frank gambale. iz he kinda similar to al dimeola? the super distortion on LP user.
 
ShredCow said:
sef said:
seems like breed iz better choice den tonezone..
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Well.. there's no "better" pup... just what serves you best.
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yea dats i leave the clean department to tele. do u happen to hv any gtr with tone zone or breed??mayb i cn hv better judgement of dis to PUPs if i heard it live.
 
ShredCow said:
OH!.. ahahaha... can't rem who you are lah. :P Now I know..

Well well well... Allow me to recommend something.. out of the ordinary.

A Breed neck in bridge.

If you like your tones defined, crisp and crunchy. Good bite (not as much as ceremic though) and good bass. It makes mahogany open up, so to speak... makes it clearer.


And yes, I've done it before. :P
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heh dats weird choice. can try nxt time if i got xtra gtr to experiment ard.
i mite wanna chg my EMG81bridge 85neck to 85n 85b. i dun like 81's thin trebly sound & its ceramic
 
go to http://music.download.com/Shredcows

For the Breed neck + bridge
Listen to Roadrunner, Reflections, My Life with You, Falling in Love Again.

Those were done with a Marshall MG30DFX, lined in to my laptop. Early days of my playing.

Then for Tonezone
Listen to FREAK OUT!
Later half of the song, my pup config changed to Tonezone in neck AND bridge. :P

Now... Its a custom wound pup from www.has-sound.com , the Viper. Got a thread just up on it... so you can listen/read abt it.
 
neuro182 said:
Haha don't forget the Ibanez SZ series - maple on mahogany, set neck & string through body :wink:
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dats y i like SZ, cos its so similar to LPs :D

2 bad i cant find any LPs with string thru body. does string thru body has more sustain than Tune-O-Matic?i dun really like TOMs kinda troublesum when u chg strings.I hope to get lockin bridge like tonepros.
 
sef said:
i'll listen to dis 2 guys.

but i find most black metal band's instrument kinda loose, cos they got keyboards & the recordin not dat in ur face. so it mite be hard to judge on the emperor's gtr tone.

i haven't heard abt frank gambale. iz he kinda similar to al dimeola? the super distortion on LP user.
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not all BM employ keys in their lineup. majority of the BM productions aren't stellar, that's for sure, it's a trait of the trade. to date, i find Satyricon's VOLCANO to be the only with superb production.

Gambale is sweep picking's (fusion) master general, he has since parted ways with Ibanez, now with yamaha but the JB is retained.
 
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