dimarzio or seymour duncan better?

[shouheng]

hey weiht/edder, do you know where i can get hold of a bill lawrenceL-290TL? thanks.

 

[LEMONed_Z]

cuz money is a big problem

give your SX SST62 to steve vai. guess what? likely he'll still sound like steve vai. blind fold all the audience and they wouldn't know the difference!

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nonsense.
yes, the playing style will be the same, but the tone will be entirely different.
might even be a shitty tone.

I totally agree with you Vaiyen... There's got to be a shift away from this "if you play well, you will sound good no matter what axe you play"
perception.

how to define "shitty tone" ? if all the guitar heroes back then plays an SX instead through a 10 watt peavey amp mic up ... and that's 'the' legendary tone they defined. would things be very different now? what is good tone? that percussive fender single coil sound? fatness of a les paul? what if all the guitar heroes back then all said fender are bullshit? a les paul is just too muddy?

 

[Vaiyen]

shitty acccording to the player himself, dude. In this hypothetical scenario, Steve Vai.
Besides that, there ARE tones which are universally recognized to be shitty, like an overly dry, sharp, thin tone which is just aesthetically repellant and painful to listen to.

 

[pooo]

if all the guitar heroes back then plays an SX instead through a 10 watt peavey amp mic up ... and that's 'the' legendary tone they defined. would things be very different now?

The fact is that, they didn't

Even players who DIY-ed their guitars, EVH and Nuno Bettencourt for eg, didn't play through small amps mic-ed up. Their tone was set by the roaring stack amps.

 

[LEMONed_Z]

shitty acccording to the player himself, dude. In this hypothetical scenario, Steve Vai.
Besides that, there ARE tones which are universally recognized to be shitty, like an overly dry, sharp, thin tone which is just aesthetically repellant and painful to listen to.

universally? there might just be ppl who might like what is 'shitty' to another. tone is a matter of personal preference. so how is there a universal shitty tone? ... nvm.... perhaps i'm just too anti-majority

 

[Vaiyen]

pooo said it. the fact that no self-respecting axeman has recorded/perfromed with said gear is some indication that there exists a concensus on what constitutes good tone, however broad.

anyway, I see you've backed down from your 'tone is all in the fingers' theory, and that is a good thing.

 

[edo83]

my turn to chup in

It's always been debated to death...about tone and what constitutes a good tone. I believe, at least to guitarists who've explored and played long enough, that an acceptable tone is 1 which is not shrilly (treble dimed and bass nil) or muddy (bass maxed, treble nil).

Of course those are extreme examples, but general consensus for a good tone should be one that has clarity. The rest of the factors are just variables, tweaked to the guitarist's desire.....

Shitty tone does exists, even general masses knows what's pricking their ears or too "boomy". Shitty tone is when ppl can't hear what the hell you're doing on your instrument imho, it's cllosely related to your gears and your technique.

 

[thor666]

universally? there might just be ppl who might like what is 'shitty' to another. tone is a matter of personal preference. so how is there a universal shitty tone? ... nvm.... perhaps i'm just too anti-majority

i think most of us would agree the sound at construction sites to be shitty tone, even if the volume were decreased. i agree there isn't a universal shitty tone. however i do agree, governing the laws of physics, some tones are more musically appealing than others.