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Oh well if you guys can't take a little humour..

Seriously tho, I really can tell the difference between the sound on 9s and 10s. You guys will probably not believe me because all of you have been playing guitar longer than I have, but 9s and 10s sound fundamentally different to me. I trust my ears. Even on different guitars, 9s sound like 9s and 10s sound like 10s. And I'm not only talking about just the high E string, but every other string. Especially the low E string. Palm muting on less forgiving gear really brings out the thin sounding thin strings. Of course playing through a mega high gain digital multi effect pedal will probably sound the same no matter what string gauge. Strumming a chord on clean on 9s and 10s sound different to me too. Plucking is the most obvious. Not saying either gauge is better, just that I can tell the difference, and I don't like the sound of 9s. I'm sure at this time and age I can still have my own opinion right?

It's not that I want to be sarcastic, it's just that I'm just really amazed (maybe slightly annoyed) that there are people around who try to prove me wrong in the things I have experienced first hand myself, maybe because they believe they have more experience than everyone else. It's like, say I saw a car that's red and go, hey, that car's red. And then there's some guy that goes no man, that car's BLUE! How would you feel if something like that happened to you? :wink:

Anyway, want to take this discussion into a new thread? Not very nice to invade someone's custom guitar thread
 
sanXp said:
Oh well if you guys can't take a little humour..

Seriously tho, I really can tell the difference between the sound on 9s and 10s. You guys will probably not believe me because all of you have been playing guitar longer than I have, but 9s and 10s sound fundamentally different to me. I trust my ears. Even on different guitars, 9s sound like 9s and 10s sound like 10s. And I'm not only talking about just the high E string, but every other string. Especially the low E string. Palm muting on less forgiving gear really brings out the thin sounding thin strings. Of course playing through a mega high gain digital multi effect pedal will probably sound the same no matter what string gauge. Strumming a chord on clean on 9s and 10s sound different to me too. Plucking is the most obvious.

It's not that I want to be sarcastic, it's just that I'm just really amazed (maybe slightly annoyed) that there are people around who try to prove me wrong in the things I have experienced first hand myself, maybe because they believe they have more experience than everyone else. It's like, say I saw a car that's red and go, hey, that car's red. And then there's some guy that goes no man, that car's BLUE! How would you feel if something like that happened to you? :wink:

Anyway, want to take this discussion into a new thread? Not very nice to invade someone's custom guitar thread
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Haiz, read my initial post about 9s and 10s again. It was to poke fun at "audiophiles with golden ears". You know ppl who say they can tell the difference between a hifi that uses a normal power cable and a hifi that uses a power cable the size of a water hose.

It's not a matter whether 9s and 10s actually sound different, it's if u can tell in a blind situation. Where u dun know for a fact, whether the person is using 9s, 10s or watever string gauge.

If u think I'm a yaya papaya that feels that I'm more experienced that u, that's great too! Papayas are nice to eat :p Anyway didn't u try to prove me wrong to begin with? :mrgreen:
 
Cos there's a difference, only that you can't tell ma. :p Maybe because my ears still virgin and you playing for so long ears damaged already :lol: And you were like mocking the people who could tell the diff between 9s and 10s, and me being one of them.. Ok la. If there are 2 diff players using 9 and 10, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference, but playing through my own guitar and my own gear, I can easilly tell the difference. I can also tell the difference easilly when a guitar is not plugged in. Fair enough?

And about audiophiles with golden ears, the actual term is the 'placebo effect', where there probably isn't a difference but the listener feels that there is a difference, maybe because he paid more for it.
 
i understand what you are trying to say dude.

Nobody is denying that there is NO difference in tone. just that the difference is very ...small.

If you are aware they are .9s or .10s then the test really wont be accurate wouldnt it? --- Cus you already KNOW its different.... and whatever difference you feel in tension added with the diff string/pickup height ( equivalent of lowering pickups ) .... oh dun forget with thicker strings you gotta play harder... varying pick attack.

You are saying that we could blindfold you and have 10 guys playing .
but only 3 of them have .9s on the guitar. The rest is .10s

and you can point them out? just by hearing them play?

ive been playing arnd 7yrs and i dun think im even near experienced... James bay however... knows his stuff. So dun go round disputing "facts" you cant even prove. Chances are you dont even fully understand what you are talking about.

im seriously not slamming you... its just that there are too many factors to consider before making a proper judgement.

What you percieve as correct may not always be.
keep an open mind dude.

"there is no spoon"
 
What you can't hear or don't see, doesn't mean it's not there. There may be someone else that's sensitive to it. I'm sorry that I don't have the credibility and ability to prove what I can hear. Maybe I should shut up and only let the big boys talk then :lol: What's the point of joining soft then? 8)
 
its not that you dont have credibility or ability - Soft is open to all musicians... of all levels

perhaps its simply because you claim to be able to "hear" ( note: HEAR :roll: )
the seemingly obvious differences in tone between 0.09 to 0.10 guage string sets.

what we are merely trying to "explain" is that if you knew that the string guage has been changed. You will be expecting a difference .

And it means you cant tell the difference merely by listening to the strings being played - unless you touched the strings or took a look at em.

ok take a look at this -

"And you were like mocking the people who could tell the diff between 9s and 10s, and me being one of them.. Ok la. If there are 2 diff players using 9 and 10, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference, but playing through my own guitar and my own gear, I can easilly tell the difference. "

whats the point of stringing on .10s to sound better , when the person listening to you play cant hear a difference at all? you yourself confess that you cant pass a blind a/b test between the two guages. - you only can when you play on it.

:roll: THIS is what we mean by the fact that a small increase in string guage will not alter your tone enough to warrant a percieved improvement.

"And about audiophiles with golden ears, the actual term is the 'placebo effect', where there probably isn't a difference but the listener feels that there is a difference"
:roll: - because the audiophile "knows" he bought sumthing new and is expecting it to improve his tone.

we arent putting you down , dun play the victim. we are sharing information with you. And that is what soft.com.sg is about. :)
 
I think its ok to speak for oneself... But when you speak for others. (Cough and die?)

I can tell if i changed from 40s to 45 set for bass strings. But when someone like my friend comes in and plays MY bass, I dont think i'm confident enough to tell the difference between the 2 gauges anymore. He plays with long nails. Extreme yes, but just to illustrate a point.

Another thing is, do we all use the same gear and amps, cables even? All of the above characterize the resultant tone. Dig it!
 
you guys are wussies... i use 14s!!!!




bwahahahha... chill lah... chill..... I like Electro Harmonix strings.... cos I've already paid for the whole lot! hahaha... who wants one? :p

I like DRs the regular ones... cos they're bright and they last for the longest time. For me that is.

I can FEEL the difference between string gauges... I guess everyone can when they PLAY it, touch it.

I can't HEAR the difference between any gauges. HEAR that is. No touch no see. Just HEAR.

Anyway James, nice guitar you have there and I have every reasons to be jealous. haha..
 
I'm also sharing my information with you. Actually to clarify the most obvious difference I hear is mainly on the 3 bass strings on the guitar, and especially during palm muting. Even my guitarist agrees that 9s don't sound heavy enough during palm muting. That's why he's using hybrid 9s. (.046 etc on top) The less obvious difference will be plucking on clean. If you want to associate the placebo effect with me, I'm HOPING TO GOD 9s and 10s sound the same because 10s are killing my fingers. I REALLY WANT them to sound the same, but they just don't! I can use hybrids but I don't like the jump in tension, fine, I'm picky.

If there is no difference in sound then there will not be guitarists using .046s, or even .052s on top, just to get chunkier, meatier and heavier palm mutes.
 
whoa whoa all .. chill abit ... is just a discussion

@SansXp

-different people hear and c things differently .

e.g when u see red, how do you know the other person sees exactly the same shade of red that you are seeing ?

same thing with tone. you might hear it to be same. but others might hear it different.

calm down everybody !

if i m not mistaken , minor difference between string guage is for variation in playing comfort > tone.

0.01 guage difference is so slight. it should be a barely noticeable difference.

If you feel you can hear the difference , then so be it . nothing wrong with that. the only problem is you might be wrong. ( i m not saying you are wrong, read this out first)

i mean , James is really great in his stuff and theory and he might be wrong , but juxtaposing his years of experience and against yours.

he might be trying to correct a misconception that you might have.

you might have the placebo effect in thinking that there is a difference in tone from a 0.01 string guage difference but when played by an independent guitarist and keeping all other things constant, it is unnoticable ?

how do you know what you have heard is Defintely a tonal difference ? has it been cross referenced and checked with similar conditions ? could it be some other variables ?

the only way to truly know is to conduct an independent test free of any additional variable and ceterius paribus holding true. but to do this is near impossible and impractical. So the best way is to cross reference with known records/experience of it and to reject the faulty theory
 
haizz... alright then dude.. i guess changing from .9s to .10s will really bring on that heavier sound for you then.

btw have you tried riffing on a mesa boogie? 5150?
heard those sound really heavy too ...

but its $4000 vs $6.50 for a set of .10s ---> the choice is obvious eh?

im personally using .9s - 46s only because the thicker bass strings wont flap around as much when i pick hard on them. It sounds tighter because the string doesnt vibrate excessively.

No reason to change to thicker treble side strings. as malmsteen uses .8s - .52s and he sounds fabulous -- could be the wall of marshall stacks doing the trick.
He chugs on the open E-flat string alot. a .42 or guage string would give sloppy string tension. Not to mention most guitar heros are ang moh. with Huge hands ... .10s to them are like .9s to us asian hands.

the morale of the story is ..( pardon the cheesy line ) that upsizing your strings from .9s to .10s is the same as shaving your head so you can run faster due to the reduced wind drag.
 
We're reading it 'cos we're all waiting for an update on the 8 string beast, and hopefully the video/mp3 recording that follows after it has been tamed :lol:
 
Inevitable outcomes of discussion i suppose.
I, and i'm sure a lot others too, are guilty of it at some point or another :lol:
 
ChanMin said:
Long stuff
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You know bro.. If you read my earlier post I was more inclined to the difference in sound of the .046/.042, not really to the high E string, and it was easier to say 9s and 10s in regards to the whole pack, but it's ok man. Peace?
 
3notesAbar said:
haha yeah....ESPECIALLY in soft.com.
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Actually all forums are victims to OT. Every single one.. Haha.. It's very hard to stay on topic man, unless the thread starter closes the thread after he gets his desired answer.
 
fretless6 said:
stars_jy said:
how do u decide on the specs?? on experience??
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I pretty much designed the entire guitar and selected all the wood choices, scale length, etc. Did alot of research along with prior experience of ordering custom instruments.
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What pickup you are using? is it specially used for 8 string?
 
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