buffers

hey i read all abt buffers because i was curious abt the difference between a buffer pedal and a boost pedal. so here's a great read from cae's website:

3. What are buffers and how are they used?

Buffers are extremely important in a multi-component system. They are often misunderstood and often get a bad rap by those who are uninformed. In a CAE system, a buffer is a unity gain (input level equals output level) impedance converting circuit. It essentially protects your high impedance guitar output (or any other high impedance source, such as an amps' effects loop send) from being loaded down by the input it is connected to. In effect, it converts high impedance to low, which means subsequent stages are then driven by a low impedance source (the buffer's output). High impedance sources such as your guitar's output (assuming you have passive pickups) has very little current drive capability and it's signal is subject to a harsh environment once it leaves the guitar. You already know the adverse affect a long cable has on your tone. Same thing happens if you pass your signal through a bunch of effects pedals. Even if they have "true bypass" (an ugly, over-used term), each one will suck a little more of your signal along with the cables and connectors, mainly due to capacitive loading of your high impedance guitar signal. The end result is a muffled weak signal that lacks clarity. But once your high impedance guitar signal hits a properly designed buffer with a high input impedance, the buffer takes over, and uses its higher current capability (remember, its an active circuit that requires a power supply) to drive all subsequent stages, thus preserving your instrument's tone. This brings us to buffer quality. Buffers come in all types of designs, from discrete transistor, op-amp, to esoteric tube designs. All have their own unique sonic stamp. At CAE we use the op-amp approach. It has served us well for years, is low noise, and is extremely transparent to our ears. Buffers often get blamed for causing an overly bright sound, but we feel if its designed properly, any perceived "brightness" is because now the guitar is not being loaded down by subsequent stages!

Buffers can cause problems, too. There are some effects devices that don't like to see the low output impedance of a buffer. These are typically discrete transistor designed fuzz circuits (such as the Dallas Arbiter Fuzz Face). They react better to the high impedance output of the guitar. In fact, the guitar output, cable and input stage of the Fuzz Face complete a circuit that is highly dependent of those 3 components to work correctly. Fuzz Faces clean up nicely when you roll back the guitar volume control... not so if a buffer is between the guitar and Fuzz Face input. So if you have a pedal board with a Fuzz Face on it , put it first! Other pedals may react the same way. Experiment to see what works best for you. Keep in mind all active pedals (such as Boss, Ibanez, etc...) act as buffers and will impart their own sonic stamp even when bypassed. This is what started the whole "true bypass" (ugh! that term again) craze. See? Too much of a good thing can be "bad". Which brings us to how we utilize buffers in CAE custom switchers. We only use buffers where absolutely necessary. Typically, in a pedal based system we will not buffer until after the first 4-5 loops, which is usually just prior to sending the signal down to the pedal board (via a long cable run, hence the need to buffer) to hit the wah/volume pedals. Any more than 4 or 5 loops, and the guitar signal may be affected by capacitive loading. So the first few loops is where you would put any impedance sensitive effects. This also means your guitar will go through fuzz, overdrive or distortion pedals BEFORE the wah. We prefer this order because the wah then has a more harmonically rich signal to filter. Try it yourself. Of course, if a specific order is required, we will do everything we can to make it happen. Buffers are also necessary to drive isolation transformers, since the relatively low primary impedance of the transformers may be detrimental to whatever circuit is feeding it. This is also why amp splitter circuits must be buffered. You can't drive multiple amps with a relatively high impedance source. So there usually is a buffer somewhere in the output stage of your custom switcher. That's usually it. 2 places minimum. There may be more active stages depending on your system requirements.

if u know all this then my bad! but its still a very informative read non the less
 
haha thanks...i do know what is a buffer...so dudelove do you recommen the micro amp???the pro guitar shop guy said it also makes a great line buffer for a
long effects chain...but i don't know how good it is to work as a buffer cause i cannot seem to find any info on it being a good buffer...only the pro guitar shop guy said it is...
 
if i were u i'd try to source for a super hard on clone. or try getting the schematics and get someone to build for u. is this legal? :confused:

i dont really like the micro amp cos i actually find it introduces quite a bit of noise. i dont know if its my friends rig or the pedal so i cant make it out. why dont u get a pedal which already has a good buffer at the end of ur chain.

ask the pros.. the techs. i'm not one so i dont want to give u wrong information.
 
actually i do have it but it works as a good buffer???did not know that cause the guy i bought from told me it is true bypass...
 
yeah the sho is true bypassed. and it isnt buffered. but it can be used as a buffer. this i'm quite sure.

i'm gonna stop here. i've told u everything i know!!! cos i dont want to tell u things that are wrong
 
Hi there, if u r not really fussy abt noise and tone sucking the micro amp is a pretty decent budget buffer, but if u want something thats true bypass and transparent i would highly suggest goose's boosty, or a keeley katana clean boost. As for mi audio's boost and buff, it is good too and it can act as a treble booster, but i just feel that it lacks clean headroom, hope this helps.
 
haha thanks...actually i am just looking for a pedal to regain signal loss as i have a number of pedals and long cables...
 
Get the MI Audio then.. If you need a buffer.. Some people actually use a TU-2 as their buffer since it's buffer is quite good..
 
Hi Gerald

I used the Axess Buffer BS-2 http://www.axess-electronics.com/sc/BS2-Guitar-Audio-Buffer-Splitter-p-16133.html on a board with 18 pedals, some true bypassed, others buffered. It went a long way towards restoring some lost highs, presence, body and volume.

After selling most of the pedals on the aforementioned board, I've since salvaged the BS-2 and have mounted it on my loaded up Pedaltrain PT-2 - i managed to hide it underneath the board amongst the beams in the frame (in the same way the PP2+ is mounted) - i love its compact size and the fact it's always on. I was considering whether i should keep the BS-2 so I A/Bed it on my PT-2 setup - I can safely say it really improves the tone and overall feel of the bypassed signal. There's a very slight compression and it just sounds livelier and more responsive. Note that there are 13 pedals (including the BS2) on the PT-2 and the bypassed signal sounds stronger now.

Some say buffers affect fuzzes - I don't have much experience with that but it doesn't interfere with the Goosonique 73 Fudge fuzz pedal i have in any way, so that's cool. I'm running 3 buffered pedals on my PT-2 - TC Electronics Nova Delay and Modulator and a Line 6 Verbzilla - the other pedals are true bypassed. I'm running the BS-2 second in my chain, just after the Korg Pitchblack tuner (for convenience's sake).

Now I noticed that there is a very very slight difference between the tone of the signal with just guitar to amp and guitar to BS-2 to amp. If you listen closely, the BS-2 signal seems a little spikier, stiffer, a little more compressed, a little louder and with more presence - a hint of brightness. However, i definitely preferred the tone after running through my effects chain to the tone without it. It didn't affect my drives in any negative way either.

Google this pedal - you'll find some pretty positive reviews on the net. For me it's a keeper!
 
for me my maxon compressor is almost always on- it sorts of acts as a kind of buffer for my rig. Its a pretty transparent opto comp though so it dosent colour my guitar's tone too much and i love the way it adds a nice ring and evens out everything but it dosent darken your highs and make them sound muffled like those dyna/keeley style compressors.

Thats another possibility you can consider. Have heard many good things about the Axess buffer but never actually got the chance to experience one in use.
 
Gerald,
For off the shelf, all sugestions given earlier are valid. Another popular buffer 1-2 years back was the VHT valvulator, although don't really see it around nowadays.

However, if you feeling adventurous, a buffer is good introduction to DIY pedal making, if you don't mind getting your hands dirty. One of the more common designs is by Craig Anderton below:

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Took me about 1/2 a day to build and worked great, all you need is some basic soldering skills and some patience. Just something to consider ;)
 
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