Beginner's gear

sxni

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I'm interested in audio recording/mixing, right now I'm gonna get the necessary setup for beginners. Basically I'm looking a mid-range notebook(what sort of soundcard to take note of?), 5 - 8 tracks mixer(analog coz i'm gonna hook it up to the notebook?), friendly yet versatile s/w. Appreciate any constructive opinion . :D
 
what are you recording? bands? (With drums a.k.a multi mics) or just acoustic guitar + vocals?

in my opinion, if this is going to be home based instead of "mobile". I strongly suggest you spend the money on a low end p4 computer (which is fast enough) instead of a 4 digit $1500something laptop.

I'm multi-track recording at 24bit /48khz on a 2.4ghz non hyperthreading celeron and 512ram (333mhz) with a 160gb IDE hard disk. it is a little laggy and needs lots of maintenance, but does the job. so if you're doing 16bit/44.1khz recording imagine how sufficient it would be.

MainBoard : $100 (with inbuilt videocard/audiocard)
Cpu : $150?
ram : $70?
casing : $70?
hdd : $80? (for 80gb seagate 5 years warranty for you to abuse all you want)

have $1000 extra to get something more useful. like your favourite audio software (authentic original) or some mics.

so what do you have in mind? would your connection be
Band > mics > mixer > soundcard/computer ?

90¢ worth.
 
Actually I need something mobile so that I could bring down to the studios. I am thinking doing dual boot, one for audio set up, the other a normal internet/docu workstation.

A lil question here: How to record and mix a live jam session when no equipment in the studio is mic-ed up? If my qn seems dumb to you, pardon me, I'm learning :lol:.
 
hmm you didn't answer my qn on what you're recording. I'm assuming its a band.

your option for mobility :

1) a really costly + decently powerful laptop

2) a barebone pc + a 15 inch LCD monitor. (my setup currently)
http://global.shuttle.com/Product/Barebone/brb_default.asp
or something smaller like the Aopen Mini
http://xc.aopen.com.tw/CubeProduct-mini.aspx?type=22&names=Cube Mini&adauno_t=78

barebone can be more powerful than a laptop. but just abit less mobile cos no batteries, still requires powersocket etc.

as for dual booting. i really don't recommend because recording on a PC machine alone requires loads of maintenance. you can try, but don't say i didn't mention. take it from someone who's been on the comp for 13 years.

for your lil answer..
to do recording : microphone / direct line in.
no microphones = no vocals no drums. unless the drums are digital/electronic.
keyboards/guitar/bass yes you can direct line in but it may or may not sound good.

and since you mentioned jamming session. they have mics there and their mics are connected to a mixer. and this mixer usually have an "ouput" (red hole/white role) , so if you want you can get an adapter from red/white > earphone jack and get an Mp3 recorder of some sort and you wouldn't need to use a laptop. thats as mobile (and old school) as it gets.

60¢ worth
 
Ya, band/self recording is what I'm looking for. I want to be able to bring the recording down to the studio so as to apply what I've learnt. I ever thought of sticking my current desktop for a while, when I could manage the stuffs well, then a timely change to a notebook.

The Presonus FirePod looks impressive but firewire means I have to get either a Firewire adapter for my usb or a firewire card? Where, locally, can I check out a Firepod? Price online is around $600USD, any idea for SG?
 
anyway what studio are you talking about? jamming studio? or your school's?

presonus firepod means you need to get a firewire pci card to install , or some mainboard already comes with firewire. there is no "firewire adapter to USB" , USB is USB, firewire is firewire.
the price locally is $1K+. check on presonus website for local dealers.
 
Opps!
Here I'm refering to jamming studio.

Thanks for the great inputs, and for that price of the firepod, woooahhh, that's 9349 worth of your posts.
:lol:
 
I beg to differ in opinion. Dual booting is a very useful option depending on what the setup is for. For audio recording/DAW, one really need a DEDICATED PC that does nothing else except DAW applications (no games, no office, no internet). You'll want max CPU power into audio processing and the plug-ins that you may use. The PC should also have no other hardware devices installed except that used for DAW purposes.

If money is a problem (particularly in notebooks - since very seldom will one get a notebook just for DAW), dual boot is a good option. That will ensure the DAW applications sit nicely and cleanly in one OS while the other OS does all other stuffs. The 2 OS will not interfere with one another if you mess around with either one of them. Maintenance is very easy since the DAW OS's registry will remain clean from other things. Of course, that will also mean disabling any hardware not used (ie wireless, modem etc). In dual booting, you just have to make sure you use one copy of XP Home and one copy of XP Pro. Dual booting is automatic when you install XP Pro after XP Home is installed. DO NOT USE OTHER DUAL BOOT SOFTWARE like partition magic - they are good software but they take up resources and messes with registries of both OS. You want to keep the DAW OS as clean as possible.

My notebook setup has been like this for years. When my normal working OS (ie office etc) crashes due to some problems (only happened once), I only re-install that partition using Acronis True Image. I don't have to touch my DAW OS at all. After restoring the image, everything works well again like a new notebook. My DAW OS runs at lightning speed (I use LiteXP to remove all non-essential applications like IE etc) and never crashes.
 
i don't know man. when I did the dual booting thing, the outside-metals of my western D hard disk showed signs of melting abit. maybe cos one OS did audio the other OS did videos hahah...
so I guess it's okay to dual boot if the other OS is just for MSN/Soft forum.
 
Dual booting does not heat up the system. I'm not sure why your HD melted, but it definitely not due to dual booting. All dual booting does is enable the system to run 2 OS at different instances. Once you are running within the OS, everything remains the same. The pro of that is that the registry of one OS will remain clean and that OS can run at max efficiency if dedicated to DAW.

I used to run a dedicated DAW PC. When I switched over to notebook, getting 2 notebooks (one for DAW and one for other work applications) is too costly. So my notebook runs like this: one OS dedicated to DAW (Logic and Gigastudio + other VSTis), one for everyday work (internet, microsoft office, extensive work purposes including statistics software that drains a lot of CPU power, video/graphics, mp3 playback etc. No sign of burning down whatsover.

For notebook, I got an external HD for audio and one for Gigastudio streaming. So that may also reduce heat. But my old dedicated DAW PC was running 3 HDs (1x7200rpm IDE and 2x10000rpm SCSIs) with no signs of burning down. I made sure there is space between the HDs and they are not stacked one on top of the other - which means I had to get a huge tower casing. But I've also quite a number of fans installed (including fan casings for my SCSI drives) so it sounds like an aeroplane whenever I turn it on! Still, I don't think dual booting is the culprit of heat.
 
oh, you mentioned fans and proper ventilation between hdds. hehe got none of that. which explains.I'd rather abuse the comp time after time and make use of the warranty then sell it off cheap online after that.

however I doubt our fellow friend here sxni may know anything about computer / maintenance.
 
But if he wants a notebook, hardware maintenance should be quite low. The only maintenance needed is software - which if he dual boots and does not touch his DAW OS's registry much, then maintenance of his DAW OS will also be minimal.

Software like registry cleaners (good ones - lousy ones can kill the registry!) can be a very useful maintenance tool. I use RegSupreme Pro. Highly recommended.

Abuse your PC??? You're brave! I don't mind using warranty if it crashes. The painful part is if the HD crashes, I have to re-install everything. That really takes time. But with disk imaging software, things are faster and easier nowadays. Otherwise, re-installing, optimising, registering software etc can be quite a pain. Also, many software need re-registration if you change any hardware (and restoring image will not help here). This is also very annoying and takes up time. So I would rather have a stable system and hope it does die for a very very long time!
 
hmmm if he dualboots the issue would be more on partitioning i guess. the partition which he stores the audio tracks would be fragmented often. so he gotta seperate an audio workstation partition / audio storage partition and the etc etc etc. which still comes down to one problem if he's new to IT (I think you know what I mean) .. this donno that donno then don't want to know, don't want to care..

I kinda don't waste time with registry cleaners. bought a copy of norton ghost 10 for $110+ , saves hours of time reinstalling. maybe the issue with re-installing all the softwares registration doesn't bother me much cos I only use cool edit pro. use all the inbuilt compressors/eq/reverbs inside. I know some ppl gotta reinstall all the gigabytes of VST. thats gotta be a drag.as for optimising the audio software settings I have it saved / exported from registry and backed up from C:/doc & setts/app data so everything reinstalls/re-sets within a matter of 2 hours. it took me hours to figure out how to and what to back up the first time. then after that it's a straight road.

and yes, I abuse my pc, because I've learned that hard disks are not reliable. I back up my stuff on dvd-rs (twice). I had 3 160gb harddisks bought 3 years back, and TOO coincidently 3 years later now they break down at the same time right after the warranty expires. one stack of 100dvdrs (437gb) for $60+ is a good deal anyway. just gotta be neat and tidy to know how to search for your files when you're done. thats my vote when it comes to hard disk's i guess.

40¢ worth
 
Totally agree. Backing up is not longer an option nowadays. It's a definite necessity. However, software registration is usually not a problem if not much hardware is changed. Windows and the usual software apps we use are quite benign. But some VSTis/softsamplers need re-registration even when we change our HD. Any small component in the PC is changed, the registration process needs to be renewed. That means a few extra days in getting a new key depending on which part of the world and which time zone the developer is located. But I agree. The best software I spent on is Acronis TrueImage which saves me hours of headaches.

Anyway, audio tracks are always better to be stored in a separate dedicated HD, be it a PC or a notebook. I would never put the audio recording drive the same as windows. You want the HD to spin fast and not hindered by any other background software that may use the HD. So for a notebook, a firewire or USB2,0 drive is a definite must.

Partitioning is easy nowadays with XP. Not like the days of old when we need to run fdisk etc.

As for registry cleaners, you'll be surprised how much a good one can make a difference in stability of the system. After a clean install of a new OS, my registry cleaner picks up a few hundred errors. Everytime my windows is updated, errors will appear in the registry. When I install Microsoft Office for the first time, my registry had 300-400 additional errors. It helps to keep my registry clean and my system run smooth and fast. But beware of bad cleaners - some kills the registry instead (especially from Norton, I've heard) by removing wrong stuffs. RegSupreme is one of the safer ones.

As for HD breaking down, don't you just hate it when they do that after the warranty expires? I agree with you. That's why I've given up on SCSIs. Expensive and they die anyway after some time! But my backup is in HD (external) which I don't use at all - hopefully it doesn't die without any warning. Perhaps I should follow you in backing up in DVD-Rs.
 
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