Band Competition Of The Year 2008
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tim098
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gig organiser can u please clarify me or well the rest of the softies on 2 things. And i want this from the gig organiser himself/herself.
1. Are bands REQUIRED to sell 30 tickets, if not cannot enter?
2. Will the abovementioned prizes be kept constant and faithfully given to the winning bands?
We dont want any bullshit happening with any competition and i believe that these 2 are the most important, if not the only, pieces of potential bullshit.
1. Are bands REQUIRED to sell 30 tickets, if not cannot enter?
2. Will the abovementioned prizes be kept constant and faithfully given to the winning bands?
We dont want any bullshit happening with any competition and i believe that these 2 are the most important, if not the only, pieces of potential bullshit.
crazyguy106
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Honestly... Shouldn't you come up with that earlier?
Hello. This is Singapore. You must be transparent with how you do it.
Who are your judges? They must be feeling quite screwed up right now because of the constant change of judging criteria?
You should ask me directly and please note a few things:
Don't copy my words wholesale, it's just completely ridiculous because it's too obvious.
Don't do it first and "explain later".
Who are the organisers? Profile?
How about sponsors?
You say that you don't earn much money, but if anyone does any calculation as long as each band "does their part" you'd probably earn a ton already.
Very very important. Why the heck is musicality put together with stage presence and appeal? Are you even musicians and know what you're doing? What kind of judge would allow you to do something so ridiculous?
You haven't answered most of my questions. As much as I don't want to be hostile you have crossed the line.
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tim098
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^ i HEAVILY agree with what crazy said about musicality being on the same line as stage presence. Musicality is an entire world of its own, and it is a standalone judging criterea, from what i see it. In fact it is not suprising to see people with AMAZING musicality but absolutely NO stage presence. How do the judges give points then?
Also about transparency, if the band's money is going to be involved, even YOU should know that a high level of transparency will be needed. Who the judges are, where they come from, sponsors, previous shows/gigs/competitions, heck even a proper webpage would help with queries like these rather than direct contact with the organiser via email, sms, or the most unprofessional of all, an online forum.
Also about transparency, if the band's money is going to be involved, even YOU should know that a high level of transparency will be needed. Who the judges are, where they come from, sponsors, previous shows/gigs/competitions, heck even a proper webpage would help with queries like these rather than direct contact with the organiser via email, sms, or the most unprofessional of all, an online forum.
Ized
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haha from my point of view, this thread started as: more ticket sales= a higher chance of winning
now its : ticket sales? = cannot join?
haha wierd la gig_organiser. Im confident that i can sell all the tickets, no no damn issue about that. Only thing is your judging criteria. please be more transparent about the way you all go about doing things, the way i see it, honesty is the best policy. rather then being lambasted by the whole of SOFT please have the common courtesy as im sure many would be interested in your comp but due to this issues put off. my advice is you gotta take a clear stand on where you'r going. cheers.
now its : ticket sales? = cannot join?
haha wierd la gig_organiser. Im confident that i can sell all the tickets, no no damn issue about that. Only thing is your judging criteria. please be more transparent about the way you all go about doing things, the way i see it, honesty is the best policy. rather then being lambasted by the whole of SOFT please have the common courtesy as im sure many would be interested in your comp but due to this issues put off. my advice is you gotta take a clear stand on where you'r going. cheers.
gig_organiser
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=crazyguy106
Hi crazy...
Its just very simple, what i had post its all bout the event...
what out in soft means what will happen on the event day..
-I am very sorry..its a competition..so the judges wont be review out till the event day..this is to make sure that the event is fare for all bands...
-Grading breakdown will be review out on every event day..so there wont be any changes or editing...
-a list of details on the event will be given out to every single bands during the meeting...
*Don't worry bands...everything will be in black n white..even on the prizes and gradings...before anyone would post something unpleasant out.
So Bands who are interested don't miss the chance!! u could always join in...
For those who are affraid..don't worry...
There is always another gig to perform in..
Hi crazy...
Its just very simple, what i had post its all bout the event...
what out in soft means what will happen on the event day..
-I am very sorry..its a competition..so the judges wont be review out till the event day..this is to make sure that the event is fare for all bands...
-Grading breakdown will be review out on every event day..so there wont be any changes or editing...
-a list of details on the event will be given out to every single bands during the meeting...
*Don't worry bands...everything will be in black n white..even on the prizes and gradings...before anyone would post something unpleasant out.
So Bands who are interested don't miss the chance!! u could always join in...
For those who are affraid..don't worry...
There is always another gig to perform in..
tim098
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I'd advise u to be more professional about something like this next time. Comparing this and say, the Stardust '08 gig, more people would choose the latter due to its professionalism, clarity and everything. Also, I think u should never include ticket sales as anything to do with a competition at all. Bands and ticket-selling should be as far apart as like pluto is from the sun.
All the best in ur competition
All the best in ur competition
caijunlong
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I hope this will clear things up. Let's not make things too difficult for Gig_organiser.
TomStuntman
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Oh Come On!
Jus freakin sell the tix!!!
if not, den dun join the comp!!!!
if u dun think this comp is appropriate,
den get urselves out from the thread.
why does SOFTies complain so much?
if its under the rules and regulation, den so BE IT.
and why cant musicality be put together with stage pressence and appeal?
i do not think there is a problem with it.
it is a COMPETITION rite?
and bands must hv close to perfection attributes
to win a COMPETITION rite?
so why not this competition too?
and to crazyguy106,
pls worry bout ur own competition.
its not like ur involved in this.
so arrogant.
stop complaining bout this comp lah.
Jus freakin sell the tix!!!
if not, den dun join the comp!!!!
if u dun think this comp is appropriate,
den get urselves out from the thread.
why does SOFTies complain so much?
if its under the rules and regulation, den so BE IT.
and why cant musicality be put together with stage pressence and appeal?
i do not think there is a problem with it.
it is a COMPETITION rite?
and bands must hv close to perfection attributes
to win a COMPETITION rite?
so why not this competition too?
and to crazyguy106,
pls worry bout ur own competition.
its not like ur involved in this.
so arrogant.
stop complaining bout this comp lah.
crazyguy106
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To put it simply, as to why I've brought out all these points about the competition, is simply because the organisers had the cheek to actually copy my words, word for word, without even having any idea of what they're copying and just putting it together. I mean, when she replied that she wanted it to be the same across the board for all competition to be fair, very important question came to my mind: What about for Talentquest, Impresario, PowerJam, BOTB etc? Ethics come into question when she keeps trying defend and obviously show many loopholes that show that they are not exactly sure of what they are even doing.
I'm saying what I said only because it's a matter of defending what Singapore bands should have. If they become clear as to what they're doing I'll leave them as that, but it's very obvious that they are not answering my questions. At the end of the day it's your choice whether you want to go for it. I'm spotting many discrepancies in this competitions and sounding it out only because they plagiarised my words and did not reply with a good, satisfactory answer. No sense of knowledge of what they're doing and I sound it out out of concern and question about what they are doing. Note that I didn't say much before they copied and pasted my words.
Talk to the old-timers and they'll tell you what a joke many of the gigs which "require bands to sell tickets", and even to the young people it's ridiculous. What about a competition that you must do this as well? And until now they haven't answered me at all about who their judges are and their answers have nothing but blowing air to drag time. Does that make you wonder as to their credibility?
It is not arrogance, or whatever you might think. When you have organised a competition and actually tried calculating everything, then you'd realise what I've realised about competitions. Clarity is one of the biggest core issues that a competition should have. If not, the people who will be shortchanged are the competitors.
They have crossed the line, they haven't given a satisfactory answer at all, and with all due respect, stuntman's talk about musicality together with stage presence and appeal doesn't being "logical" isn't logical on its own. Please rephrase? Perhaps I'm missing out the point completely.
Just like what happened last time when a guy decided to sound out that some people are cheating others at the "For Sale" sections of Soft, he got flamed and he got people telling him to shut up, is that counted as complaining for sounding something wrong? In the service sector you're always required to give feedback to improve the service, so in this field it's important to shut up and go sit one corner while you see others getting conned? So that's counted as complaining?
If you are defending people who don't really care or are just gonna bite you back would you still go on? Even if you guys don't I will if people miss out very important points screaming in your face. I only intervened when they used my words which is a major disrespect and a showcase of their dubiousness. So sounding out what's wrong with the competition is arrogance and complaining?
And as for all the people who're telling me to relax. Yes I understand. Thank you for your concern. I hope you all can all see what's wrong with this competition, and I understand that you don't like arguments. And, yes I am concentrating on my competition, you don't see me constantly posting after every other message.
To gig_organiser: If you have an actual plan and ideas and what's going on in the competition please give everything you've got and show us what your competition is really about.
I'm saying what I said only because it's a matter of defending what Singapore bands should have. If they become clear as to what they're doing I'll leave them as that, but it's very obvious that they are not answering my questions. At the end of the day it's your choice whether you want to go for it. I'm spotting many discrepancies in this competitions and sounding it out only because they plagiarised my words and did not reply with a good, satisfactory answer. No sense of knowledge of what they're doing and I sound it out out of concern and question about what they are doing. Note that I didn't say much before they copied and pasted my words.
Talk to the old-timers and they'll tell you what a joke many of the gigs which "require bands to sell tickets", and even to the young people it's ridiculous. What about a competition that you must do this as well? And until now they haven't answered me at all about who their judges are and their answers have nothing but blowing air to drag time. Does that make you wonder as to their credibility?
It is not arrogance, or whatever you might think. When you have organised a competition and actually tried calculating everything, then you'd realise what I've realised about competitions. Clarity is one of the biggest core issues that a competition should have. If not, the people who will be shortchanged are the competitors.
They have crossed the line, they haven't given a satisfactory answer at all, and with all due respect, stuntman's talk about musicality together with stage presence and appeal doesn't being "logical" isn't logical on its own. Please rephrase? Perhaps I'm missing out the point completely.
Just like what happened last time when a guy decided to sound out that some people are cheating others at the "For Sale" sections of Soft, he got flamed and he got people telling him to shut up, is that counted as complaining for sounding something wrong? In the service sector you're always required to give feedback to improve the service, so in this field it's important to shut up and go sit one corner while you see others getting conned? So that's counted as complaining?
If you are defending people who don't really care or are just gonna bite you back would you still go on? Even if you guys don't I will if people miss out very important points screaming in your face. I only intervened when they used my words which is a major disrespect and a showcase of their dubiousness. So sounding out what's wrong with the competition is arrogance and complaining?
And as for all the people who're telling me to relax. Yes I understand. Thank you for your concern. I hope you all can all see what's wrong with this competition, and I understand that you don't like arguments. And, yes I am concentrating on my competition, you don't see me constantly posting after every other message.
To gig_organiser: If you have an actual plan and ideas and what's going on in the competition please give everything you've got and show us what your competition is really about.
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Lizardking
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Beat the SYSTEM
i completely agree with crazy guy man..you see there are too many bands out there willing to do anything to "destroy" the true meaning of playing music live,be it a gig or a competition.And there are just too many "self-made" "corporate weezers" who just wanna make money out of bands and not really because they genuinely wanna help or promote good bands... i've seen it all in my line of working in clubs.. its the problem with this this country.. there are bands who are genuinely good and write awesome originals but we never really see them out there ya know why? they don't succumb to the stupid trends many bands follow these days..eg:selling tickets to their friends to get them to come to the show..lol...
if you're in this business for real because you belive hard enough you can achieve something,then playing for yer friends isn't the way to go.... market yourself out there,stay true to your beliefs and who you are..bands need to attract new fans and by way of doing this is for gig organisers to source for the crowd not the bands.. a band's job is to entertain and inspire with where comes new fans of the bands.. where the new fans come from is the god damn organiser's job!! that's what yer getting paid for remember???
i completely agree with crazy guy man..you see there are too many bands out there willing to do anything to "destroy" the true meaning of playing music live,be it a gig or a competition.And there are just too many "self-made" "corporate weezers" who just wanna make money out of bands and not really because they genuinely wanna help or promote good bands... i've seen it all in my line of working in clubs.. its the problem with this this country.. there are bands who are genuinely good and write awesome originals but we never really see them out there ya know why? they don't succumb to the stupid trends many bands follow these days..eg:selling tickets to their friends to get them to come to the show..lol...
if you're in this business for real because you belive hard enough you can achieve something,then playing for yer friends isn't the way to go.... market yourself out there,stay true to your beliefs and who you are..bands need to attract new fans and by way of doing this is for gig organisers to source for the crowd not the bands.. a band's job is to entertain and inspire with where comes new fans of the bands.. where the new fans come from is the god damn organiser's job!! that's what yer getting paid for remember???
gig_organiser
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To All Bands that are interested...
The details for this event had been finalise..
Pls view the first page for more details...
We Promise And Asure Your Hardworks Will Be Worth...
Prizes and Judging Criteria had been finalise. To prevent any bands who are interested to be disappointed..There wont be any changes from now unless every bands voice out to change any of the details on the band meeting day itself.... Don't worry a contract will be issue out to all the bands thats performing on the prizes and judging criteria.....as to ensure no bands will get cheated or conn by us...
These contract for the band its an evidance on whats the event its all about.
The details for this event had been finalise..
Pls view the first page for more details...
We Promise And Asure Your Hardworks Will Be Worth...
Prizes and Judging Criteria had been finalise. To prevent any bands who are interested to be disappointed..There wont be any changes from now unless every bands voice out to change any of the details on the band meeting day itself.... Don't worry a contract will be issue out to all the bands thats performing on the prizes and judging criteria.....as to ensure no bands will get cheated or conn by us...
These contract for the band its an evidance on whats the event its all about.
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well still it kinda funny that bands will have to sell tickets
and get 2 dollar commision for every tickets
why is that so
and will bands have to recover the money if they did not manage to sell all tickets?
please verify on that
if bands were to pay for every tickets unsold
then its crap.
and get 2 dollar commision for every tickets
why is that so
and will bands have to recover the money if they did not manage to sell all tickets?
please verify on that
if bands were to pay for every tickets unsold
then its crap.
give this a rest bro , i think this discussion is pretty much over , we've said our part .
tim098
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lol bro maman, the bands have to bear the cost of the tickets then. Ridiculous but thats how these people and MANY other small pathetic gigs work. I think if anyone wants to seriously pursue this matter, best to take a look at this "contract" that the gig_organiser has in store. With this contract, everything is clear in black and white and then only we can see if everything is fair or if this is simply a money making stunt on the organiser's part. Till then we can only speculate. Also she mentioned that what is in the contract will not be changed, unlike this forum where anything she says can be edited. Therefore, best to wait for this contract to come out then look at it.
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