hullabalooeeks
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Yea, i always thought of wad pedals to recommend my beginner friends and this seems to be the talk of the town!
Wad are ur comments?
Wad are ur comments?
BAD MONKEY!
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dwarfstars
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we talking about OD la.. haha..
dwarfstars
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Lifehouse said:
LIFEHOUSE! you mentioned the sacred word "BOOTEK"!!!!! A MUST GET FOR ME THEN!!! THE EQ IS GONNA BE USEFUL!
dwarfstars
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er.. daniel. .who knows what.. haha..
don't leave us in suspense
don't leave us in suspense
hullabalooeeks
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ShredCow said:
can we like compare if with the other highly marketed pedals from boss or ibanez...
Not to ur BOOTEK....
theblueark
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Its very similar to tubescreamers, with a treble and bass control instead of a single tone control.
Eh, beginner use Monkey ah? I tot usually pple start with DS-1 or OD or SD and then move on? IMO, I usually think most pple who start out want a little bit more gain, thus ds1.
If they like blues or lower gain, then I think blues driver not bad to start with, but I think best value is still TS7, esp with SL sale. Its not very versatile, but its simple to use, esp for beginners to get a decent tone. I would think most beginners don't really know what tone they are looking for and thus something simple which sounds great quick would suffice.
But if they got a bit more cash I would still say J&H, will probably last them quite awhile till they get tone lusting and look for the forbidden fruit, bootek. 8)
If they like blues or lower gain, then I think blues driver not bad to start with, but I think best value is still TS7, esp with SL sale. Its not very versatile, but its simple to use, esp for beginners to get a decent tone. I would think most beginners don't really know what tone they are looking for and thus something simple which sounds great quick would suffice.
But if they got a bit more cash I would still say J&H, will probably last them quite awhile till they get tone lusting and look for the forbidden fruit, bootek. 8)
PatheinRaindropMoe
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hehe, booteek is no forbidden fruit. After all, most ended on the floor to be step on or on table to be pressed upon :lol:
hullabalooeeks said:
Nope not comparing to boutique stuff, those things are on a different level, like wanna try a Blackstone and a Bad Monkey? Totally different levels. I'd take an BD-2, SD-1 or MXR Zakk Wylde ("highly" marketed pedals :lol: ) over the Bad Monkey anyday.
It just sounds muddy, esp when used with humbuckers. And there's the oh-so-coveted mid hump there, that is not what I want.
Who knows, people like you like it. :wink:
dwarfstars
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ShredCow said:
Of course can't compare to your blackstone la. You'd take highly marketed pedals? That USED to be what I think. For me it's just the spirit of stepping out of the normal 'range' of highly marketed pedals into other options of the same price range.. That's the spirit of going bootek for you also, stepping out of your normal widely available pedals into personalized tones that YOU want! That's IT!! haha..
For people like me, I already have the bd2, i heard how sd sounds, so i'm interested in how the bad monkey sounds now.. hahaha..
edder
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Tone is in the ears of the beholder.
Some like mids some don't.
Some like treble cos they have golden ears or bad hearing. The audience gets icepicks in their ears. I know of someone like that. He calls it sweet, I call it earbleed.
So donch argue lah... there's a use for all the pedals out there. If its really that bad, just toss it to those "soundart bands" and I'm pretty sure they can milk out some sick sounds out of it.
Some like mids some don't.
Some like treble cos they have golden ears or bad hearing. The audience gets icepicks in their ears. I know of someone like that. He calls it sweet, I call it earbleed.
So donch argue lah... there's a use for all the pedals out there. If its really that bad, just toss it to those "soundart bands" and I'm pretty sure they can milk out some sick sounds out of it.
theblueark
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For what it's worth I prefer the bad monkey over the blackstone. We also did a test and between the bad monkey, MI audio bb deluxe and the blackstone (ciel, me and shredcow). For a solo boost the bb deluxe cut through the mix the best, then the bad monkey. I felt that the blackstone couldn't really cut through the mix at all.
But that's as a solo boost.
And it also depends on what the rest of the band is playing. If their frequencies are all mid humpy, then a tubescreamerish maybe won't cut as well as the blackstone. But I've never heard a band with everyone doing mid humpy frequencies, so I can't say for sure.
Also it largely depends on what it's boosting. The pedal before it makes a bit difference. The bad monkey on it's own cannot give you a loud signal. It tends to get a little muddy becuase of the lower mids. But using it after most overdrives/distortion/fuzz, it seems to provide more of the, to me, sweet upper mids.
On it's own, not as a boost, the bad monkey is better used at lower output volume levels (the level on the pedal, not the amp) into a nice tube amp. or such.
Mid humps always cut well, just that whether it is lower mids or upper mids that sound sweet is up to the listener.
But that's as a solo boost.
And it also depends on what the rest of the band is playing. If their frequencies are all mid humpy, then a tubescreamerish maybe won't cut as well as the blackstone. But I've never heard a band with everyone doing mid humpy frequencies, so I can't say for sure.
Also it largely depends on what it's boosting. The pedal before it makes a bit difference. The bad monkey on it's own cannot give you a loud signal. It tends to get a little muddy becuase of the lower mids. But using it after most overdrives/distortion/fuzz, it seems to provide more of the, to me, sweet upper mids.
On it's own, not as a boost, the bad monkey is better used at lower output volume levels (the level on the pedal, not the amp) into a nice tube amp. or such.
Mid humps always cut well, just that whether it is lower mids or upper mids that sound sweet is up to the listener.
i agree with the ark on the mids issue. Whether you like mids or not is another issue but for a 5 piece band where you have 2 guitarist and a bassist. The frequencies can get a bit packed and the mids do help in cutting through situations like this the blackstone will not work very well. you WILL get lost in the mix. Unless your the only guitarist in the band and you have that whole freq spectrum to yourself then its another issue.
The red channel of the blackstone has a bit of the mid thing going. Some ppl like the flat freq style of the blackstone but i don't really dig it.
The bad monkey on its own is muddy pretty boring in my opinion but use it as a boost after pedals into a nice tube amp is sweet. the monkey tends to the lower mids, the BBD tends to upper mids.
All decent pedals in their own right, price has nothing to do with how good a pedal sounds. Bad Monkey cost less than half of a TS9 but similar tones.
And yes POST ROCK IS THE COOOOLNESSS!!!!!
The red channel of the blackstone has a bit of the mid thing going. Some ppl like the flat freq style of the blackstone but i don't really dig it.
The bad monkey on its own is muddy pretty boring in my opinion but use it as a boost after pedals into a nice tube amp is sweet. the monkey tends to the lower mids, the BBD tends to upper mids.
All decent pedals in their own right, price has nothing to do with how good a pedal sounds. Bad Monkey cost less than half of a TS9 but similar tones.
And yes POST ROCK IS THE COOOOLNESSS!!!!!
dwarfstars said:
Do note, I wasn't comparing the blackstone and bad monkey to prove the Blackstone is superior. Just saying boutique and "normal" are on different levels. :wink:
Well, I used to want to take the highly marketed pedals. Now, I'm not going after them anymore because, they usually cater to the "standard" tried and tested tones. I'm not going after that anymore, I might be going full circle, but its something I want to do/explore for myself, not read up on others experiences.
I believe in transparency (as much as possible) in the efx line, where the guitar's character will come thru, so the Bad Monkey does not cut it for me...
Basically, two schools of thought here,
I prefer the Blackstone from a transparency, dynamics and authenticity viewpoint. I can overdrive my Goblin tube amp, and then use the Blackstone alone (Goblin clean), and am very hard pressed to differeniate the difference between a mere pedal and a real tube amp.
On the other hand, most people prefer the "old school" mids and stuff... TS, Bad Monkeys, so on so forth.
Well, its cool. But if you ask me, i wouldn't recommend something I dont' like.
I prefer the Blackstone from a transparency, dynamics and authenticity viewpoint. I can overdrive my Goblin tube amp, and then use the Blackstone alone (Goblin clean), and am very hard pressed to differeniate the difference between a mere pedal and a real tube amp.
On the other hand, most people prefer the "old school" mids and stuff... TS, Bad Monkeys, so on so forth.
Well, its cool. But if you ask me, i wouldn't recommend something I dont' like.
