Are PRS guitars any good?
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NachociousD
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How are cars and guitars comparable? Your being ridiculous i suppose. If you consider a 5k guitar not a high end model your like saying a 500k ferrari is a cheap car. How can a 5k guitar not be considered a high end guitar? Of course if your trying to say 10k-over guitars are the only range where you consider them to be high end your trying to say only 1million dollar lamboghinis are high end. HOW ARE THEY NOT CONSIDERED HIGH END? Explain that.
penta-tonic
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damn easy to explain, im rich.
and btw i was using the 5k in comparison to the price of a street car, comprehension my friend. im saying if u have 5k in your bank, every car is gonna be considered high end. to one who can only afford a cherry qq, a bmw is definitely high end. but is it really? then again argued from one who owns a bmw, probably a zonda would be more deserving of the title of high end.
its the same for guitars, i wasnt trying to be offensive or anything, i was just wondering why would anyone really consider gibson high end? you say that lots of pple use gibsons, btw i see lots of nissan sunnys on the road, i suppose thats pretty high end since its one of the most common cars on the road heh.
and u seem poorly researched making futile arguments, im not proving myself right or wrong, just take a break, and take a look around while you are at it. just because u have a point of view doesnt mean ure the only one who has one, and just because you think anything above 1k is high end doesnt mean that others do. i do see your point, but i dont think u see mine.
and btw i was using the 5k in comparison to the price of a street car, comprehension my friend. im saying if u have 5k in your bank, every car is gonna be considered high end. to one who can only afford a cherry qq, a bmw is definitely high end. but is it really? then again argued from one who owns a bmw, probably a zonda would be more deserving of the title of high end.
its the same for guitars, i wasnt trying to be offensive or anything, i was just wondering why would anyone really consider gibson high end? you say that lots of pple use gibsons, btw i see lots of nissan sunnys on the road, i suppose thats pretty high end since its one of the most common cars on the road heh.
and u seem poorly researched making futile arguments, im not proving myself right or wrong, just take a break, and take a look around while you are at it. just because u have a point of view doesnt mean ure the only one who has one, and just because you think anything above 1k is high end doesnt mean that others do. i do see your point, but i dont think u see mine.
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teleplayer
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lol. do you know who is penta-tonic... lol... you say until like he don't know there's a brand call gibson...
jskadiang
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Penta-tonic, obscure =/= high-end. Sure, there are guitars that'll run you tens of thousands of dollars, but saying that Gibsons and PRSes are not high-end is ridiculous. Two-Rocks run you twenty thousand a pop, and a Diezel costing a quarter that is still a very high-end amp. Saying that a PRS isn't high-end because of these few "make 3 guitars a year" small single luthier brands borders on snobbery.
High-end is definitely subjective, but you have to be like a millionaire to not feel spending 5000 dollars on a guitar is not a large investment. Also, j_m_s, with your point of high-end being subjective, so is taste in guitars. Not quite sure what point the example was trying to back up, but there are loads of people who would take the Gibson over the Suhr. Sure, the QC of Gibsons has not been as consistent as Suhr's but to have a sweeping statement like "they come with shoddy nut work, poor set-ups etc." is just absurd. This example is void though, I don't see the link between it being high-end or not. To the vast majority of players, a Suhr and a Gibson are high-end guitars, and that you can't possibly disagree with.
Also, since cars seems to be the favoured analogy here, to a billionaire, a Ferrari is still a high-end car. Sure, the cost may be peanuts to him, but for a car, that's high-end to everyone and anyone. (Of course I'm not saying a Ferrari is the car of cars, just using the general consensus that a Ferrari is an ultimate acquisition for many) I guess you can say there are many factors to something being high end but usually it boils down to the quality and the price. And these 5000 dollar guitars have both of them in oodles.
High-end is definitely subjective, but you have to be like a millionaire to not feel spending 5000 dollars on a guitar is not a large investment. Also, j_m_s, with your point of high-end being subjective, so is taste in guitars. Not quite sure what point the example was trying to back up, but there are loads of people who would take the Gibson over the Suhr. Sure, the QC of Gibsons has not been as consistent as Suhr's but to have a sweeping statement like "they come with shoddy nut work, poor set-ups etc." is just absurd. This example is void though, I don't see the link between it being high-end or not. To the vast majority of players, a Suhr and a Gibson are high-end guitars, and that you can't possibly disagree with.
Also, since cars seems to be the favoured analogy here, to a billionaire, a Ferrari is still a high-end car. Sure, the cost may be peanuts to him, but for a car, that's high-end to everyone and anyone. (Of course I'm not saying a Ferrari is the car of cars, just using the general consensus that a Ferrari is an ultimate acquisition for many) I guess you can say there are many factors to something being high end but usually it boils down to the quality and the price. And these 5000 dollar guitars have both of them in oodles.
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j_m_s
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high-end is subjective... EOS (end of story, jeez I'm a Nikon Fanboy *ANIT CANON FTW!*)
they are comparable. Its like comparing your new guitar purchase to your GF's/Wife's handbag purchase?
A 5k plus guitar might be high end to some, but to others it might be run-of-the-mill. They instead choose to get an instrument CUSTOM MADE to THEIR exact specifications. now that, is what is classified as boutique or high-end to them.
Take for example a 5k sgd Gibson against a 5k Suhr Pro Series.
Ill take the suhr anyday. Even tho they're of differnt shapes/tones and all. (I know its kinda apples to oranges in this case but whattheheck)
The suhr probably has better customer service, better build quality and I will know and have faith that it will turn out an excellent instrument.
Do your research on Gibbies these days. They come with shoddy nut work, poor set-ups and even electronic faults in some cases.
they are comparable. Its like comparing your new guitar purchase to your GF's/Wife's handbag purchase?
A 5k plus guitar might be high end to some, but to others it might be run-of-the-mill. They instead choose to get an instrument CUSTOM MADE to THEIR exact specifications. now that, is what is classified as boutique or high-end to them.
Take for example a 5k sgd Gibson against a 5k Suhr Pro Series.
Ill take the suhr anyday. Even tho they're of differnt shapes/tones and all. (I know its kinda apples to oranges in this case but whattheheck)
The suhr probably has better customer service, better build quality and I will know and have faith that it will turn out an excellent instrument.
Do your research on Gibbies these days. They come with shoddy nut work, poor set-ups and even electronic faults in some cases.
penta-tonic
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yay to j_m_s, you got my point, ive got another suhr on order!
btw yes to the above abt the gibsons shoddy work, so far ive played 2 gibson r9's and both had paint bleeds on the binding, both had different necks, one had a really skinny sound and another had a badly slotted nut that was bordering on looking like a bone comb. and both couldnt keep in tune with the vintage klusons.
teleplayer: thanks for the supportive words.
jskadiang: you got me wrong dude, i was asking how gibson could be considered high end, not prs, which btw had one as my main guitar for 2yrs, so im not laying the smack down on nothin'.
and two rocks arent that pricey as you think, most of their models run at abt 5kusd, only the steve kimock sig and the overdrive sig run at 10kusd. but what im trying to say is high end is all a perspective, to one who owns a squier, a fender usa might be high end, to one who owns a peavey practice amp a fender twin reverb would be high end, how abt one who can easily afford a diezel, id think owning a real dumble amp made by howard dumble might be the real deal of high end. point im trying to make is that its all subjective to what you would consider expensive.
TO ME, taylors, martins, santa cruz, ovation, breedlove and all those other brands arent even high end. my take would run more along the lines of goodall, mcphersons, froggy bottom, ellis, huss and dalton. but whos to say im right or wrong, its just my take.
btw yes to the above abt the gibsons shoddy work, so far ive played 2 gibson r9's and both had paint bleeds on the binding, both had different necks, one had a really skinny sound and another had a badly slotted nut that was bordering on looking like a bone comb. and both couldnt keep in tune with the vintage klusons.
teleplayer: thanks for the supportive words.
jskadiang: you got me wrong dude, i was asking how gibson could be considered high end, not prs, which btw had one as my main guitar for 2yrs, so im not laying the smack down on nothin'.
and two rocks arent that pricey as you think, most of their models run at abt 5kusd, only the steve kimock sig and the overdrive sig run at 10kusd. but what im trying to say is high end is all a perspective, to one who owns a squier, a fender usa might be high end, to one who owns a peavey practice amp a fender twin reverb would be high end, how abt one who can easily afford a diezel, id think owning a real dumble amp made by howard dumble might be the real deal of high end. point im trying to make is that its all subjective to what you would consider expensive.
TO ME, taylors, martins, santa cruz, ovation, breedlove and all those other brands arent even high end. my take would run more along the lines of goodall, mcphersons, froggy bottom, ellis, huss and dalton. but whos to say im right or wrong, its just my take.
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teleplayer
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I agree to what j_m_s said.. high end is subjective.. and nowadays gibsons are becoming lower and lower quality... like for myself, I wanna get a new computer(laptop) and i narrowed it down to macbook and macbook pro. to some people, even the most basic macbook is high end to them as there are cheaper alternatives like acer etc. but to some people who can afford, they will not see macbooks/macbook pro as high end, they will probably see the biggest screen 17" macbook pro or iMac as high end... and i personally feel that beginners should start by getting a really cheap guitar... no point getting a 3-4k guitar and get bored of playing it and throw it at one side. by getting a cheap one, you will probably motivate yourself to play a couple of songs like 10songs? before buying a new guitar... and you may not like PRS either... so you may regret after spending 3-4k on a guitar you don't like..
fuzztremecho
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lol
bro penta-tonic,..spare the kid...he ain't no what he's saying.
bro penta-tonic,..spare the kid...he ain't no what he's saying.
NachociousD
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Highend isnt a subjective thing it based on overall pricing of guitars. if the range of guitars is in the 100-8000 range where you can buy it from a shop. How is a 5k gibson not considered a high end. Now preference is another thing that is subjective. Regardless of quality as long as its in the range where the price is considered high isnt it considered a high end guitar? Its like a ferrari with a good engine and a aston martin with a lousy engine maybe you prefer the ferrari but their still at the same price range isnt it?
teleplayer
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and the person's affordability which makes it a subjective thing.
penta-tonic
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spot on teleplayer, now u get a free tele... pathic wink 
MutantBanana
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To each his own.
j_m_s
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high end is subjective. to a student who gets say $5 a day. A $800 Ibanez RG or Fender Strat is considered High end.
A $5000 PRS? or Suhr? Out of reach.
To a working adult who earns say. 10k a month. Whats an $800 Ibanez RG or Fender Strat to him? His first guitar..
Whats a PRS or Suhr to him? Its half his salary.. doh!!
A $5000 PRS? or Suhr? Out of reach.
To a working adult who earns say. 10k a month. Whats an $800 Ibanez RG or Fender Strat to him? His first guitar..
Whats a PRS or Suhr to him? Its half his salary.. doh!!
teleplayer
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MutantBanana
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I was comparing more on the grounds of the image.
Not wild but sexy.
Not wild but sexy.
jskadiang
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teleplayer: Way to be sensitive.
j_m_s, I'll agree with you there. Perhaps it's how we define high-end? IMO, to said hypothetical student in your post, the RG is a lot of money to him. But still, he/she may acknowledge that the RG that's expensive to him isn't high-end, it's just what he can afford. He/she knows about the PRSes and Gibsons that to him have ridiculous price tags, and knows that's the high end stuff. Hope you see my point.
j_m_s, I'll agree with you there. Perhaps it's how we define high-end? IMO, to said hypothetical student in your post, the RG is a lot of money to him. But still, he/she may acknowledge that the RG that's expensive to him isn't high-end, it's just what he can afford. He/she knows about the PRSes and Gibsons that to him have ridiculous price tags, and knows that's the high end stuff. Hope you see my point.
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When I wanted to get my first Gibson , I was getting 7 bucks a day . Skipped recess for 6 months and used my ang pao and birthday money to get it . Hahaha and that still isn't high end for me . It's how much you want it .
j_m_s
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teleplayer.. I dont think thats appropriate.
haha. Zax, isnt that what all students like us do.. Save and skip school! explains my size...
jskadiang
Of course I see your point bro. Everyone is entitled to their own Point Of View in this situation no? You have valid points too.
All cool, aye?
haha. Zax, isnt that what all students like us do.. Save and skip school! explains my size...
jskadiang
Of course I see your point bro. Everyone is entitled to their own Point Of View in this situation no? You have valid points too.
All cool, aye?
NachociousD
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Expensive to you does not mean high end. even a kid knows a nissan skyline to expensive for him to afford but it isnt a high end car. its the same logic.
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