a dumb comparison

hey xenogenesis, i mean if u can play jazz well. it means that u have a certain understanding of certain concepts well at hand. thats great but thats really the tip of the iceberg. i think alot of people have this notion about musical "class". sort of a snobby way of looking at music, jazz is way up there while punk and metal bring up the rear. i say if u want to be a good musician embrace everything keep an open heart and open mind, to both people and music.

haha yeah! im actually more into rock but got interested in jazz. but all in all, i respect all genre types, so the comparison was merely some friendly junk talk i did with noein. haha


bklk: i'll pm you bout that, its quite a sensitive thing to post in a forum! lol

bepotang: hey man what you said was actually what i was told by my drum sensei last time...haha but yeah. different genres really can't be compared against one another...
 
xenOgensis. (Pearson my dear Bro)….beboptang is not a man lah .. kekekekeke ! It’s a she…

So you’re going in NS in September izzit ? …. All the best. What Bro bklk and bepotang means is - - - - You must try your best to do well in both Rock/Metal Drumming, and Jazz Drumming altogether if you can – add/mix them both together (call it Jazz/Rock, or is this what they call - Fusion) – come out with your own Colours/Flavours (Rojak It) ……………. and then you become (like XO DurianBreed liao – expensive & uniquely good)… Kekekeke ! - - - like Dr Drums Dennis Chamber….a mind-blowing drummer.

That's why I guess - "Drumming is Easy, but indeed Very Difficult To Master".
 
Eric,....since you "dragged" my name into this provocative discussion, let me say my 5 cents worth.

To me it's not about what genre a drummer plays but how well he plays his specialty. It's about how well you have mastered your craft. It's also about how versatile, adaptable and even original you can be.

At the end of the day, it is about how "employable" you are and whether other musicians would want to use you in their gigs.

You may say that I am a jazz specialist but you don't know me. Having been around the scene since the 60s (with career breaks in between), I have done pop, rock, hard rock and even a bit of metal. I feel I can still do some of these rock gigs today..provided I do not have to look like an overaged,overweight leather clad long haired freak !! In reality, I doubt if I can keep it up.

But seriously, as one gets older, one begins to have a different perspective of drumming..or anything in life.. I suppose. There is no way I can replicate the energy and fire of my youth but I can still recall the emotions. There is no way I can keep up a double bass routine for any length of time without getting cramps... or sustain the energy of a hard driving rock gig for 3 sets ! But for a song or two..OK lah.

I would probably come bottom few in a speed drumming contest (1200 bass strokes a min !!??) but what the heck. I still get called to play with some of the best musos in town and get paid good money for it ... without the need to rehearse (esp jazz gigs). And surprisingly there is still an occasional demand for drummers to play music from the 60's and 70's...and look the vintage !

The point is.. as a drummer, you must be able to contribute meaningfully to the music and the ensemble you are with. You have to be able to play with the right feel and dynamics in any given situation. You have to make the music as well as the rest of the band feel good. In short, you really have to know your stuff. The other musicians don't give a shit how many rudiments you know or how fast you can execute a double bass drum roll.

Being able to perform a lot of fancy licks and such will not get you any gigs if you have no feel for the music...a trite observation you may say, but this is true of many drummers out there. Many either can't play...and many also overplay.

I have little time for drum competitions and the like. I am also not impressed by fierce technique for technique's sake. What matters to me is whether a drummer can contribute to the music, and not wanting to be the centre of attraction all the time. Some drummers can do both...good for them.

Because drummers do not have to contend with melodies, pitch, harmonics, lyrics, and such, they may feel a need to compensate as musicians...but honestly, very few people would pay to see or hear a drum solo..and fewer would pay for music that is drums dominated. Few drummers become millionaires playing drums...compared with singers and other instrumentalists. Hence drummers do develop a complex sometimes...and feel the need to unite and share a herd instinct.

Many of the postings we get here is a reflection of this innate insecurity of drummers as a community. Sorry but true.

Drums are essential to the popular music of today...but be wary of drum programming and machines. Drummers are increasingly phased out of many live pop gigs because they can be substituted by machine programs. If 2 & 4 backbeats are all you do...then you can be in danger of extinction. A great portion of the drums in today's music are expressed by machines programmed by keyboard players ! Bassists are beginning to feel the pinch too.

Hotels and clubs are cutting out drummers to save cost and space...check it out !! Many audiences do not mind the drum machine in the back ground as long as the singer is sexy and attractive. Hotel lounges are cutting out the drummers to reduce the volume of the music played...perceptions run deep.

That's probably why I am playing more jazz these days...I seldom get gigs playing pop and rock (not decent paying ones anyway). At least they haven't figured out ..yet..how to replace the jazz drummer by a machine.
 
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Hotels and clubs are cutting out drummers to save cost and space...check it out !! Many audiences do not mind the drum machine in the back ground as long as the singer is sexy and attractive. Hotel lounges are cutting out the drummers to reduce the volume of the music played...perceptions run deep.

That's probably why I am playing more jazz these days...I seldom get gigs playing pop and rock (not decent paying ones anyway). At least they haven't figured out ..yet..how to replace the jazz drummer by a machine.

Hah! Nice. Enjoyed that post, Mr. Blofeld.
 
I believe it's much more appropriate to view all styles and expressions of music as different colours of a rainbow, with different wavelenghts, but all have the same white light source.

Can't put it in any way better than you just did, beboptang. Well said! :D
 
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No worries dude. Happens all the time in forums ;)


beboptang is our model, much like a voctoria secrets model. but with more clothes and more chops.

metal or jazzz, funk or rock. is black is whiteeeeeeeee blah blah, yeahh yeahhh yeahh (does little MJ dance move)
 
no silicone and no botox is just great.ttttttttttt and I love it - cause Drummers like the feel of the natural rebound - the best choice for training their hands and improving stick control. ... Kekekeke ! hor ?
 
If that's your way of making a pass, then I must say it's pretty transparent !

You better get your stick under control, or work with your hands a bit more.
 
frank if thats ur way of making a joke, then i must say its pretty bad.

u better just not make any, or work on not speaking.



If that's your way of making a pass, then I must say it's pretty transparent !

You better get your stick under control, or work with your hands a bit more.
 
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