hifi_killer
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magix music maker.. for newbies like me
Which DAW/Sequencer do you use? [Update]
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Cheez
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OK. 42 voters. Hardly representative, but sufficient for simple discussion. Poll closed. Let's discuss.
Obviously Apple has the market in the music area in SOFT. Taking in account that there may be Mac users using Cubase and other non-Logic DAW, the Mac clearly has the upper-hand.
Interesting that Garageband has less users than anticipated. But I guess since it's geared more towards the amateur market, even though it's free, users would still prefer more powerful software like Logic.
I find that large number of Sonar users interesting. I initially thought there will be many more Cubase users than Sonar. Esp since Resolutions is extremely good at marketing (I was almost persuaded to switch to Cubase...). What's more interesting is that there's no distributor in Singapore yet for Sonar, so most users will probably have bought it online. So...there's a large potential market here aiming at PC users.
Also interesting is the lack of Digital Performer users. Who brings in MOTU stuff nowadays anyway.
Obviously Apple has the market in the music area in SOFT. Taking in account that there may be Mac users using Cubase and other non-Logic DAW, the Mac clearly has the upper-hand.
Interesting that Garageband has less users than anticipated. But I guess since it's geared more towards the amateur market, even though it's free, users would still prefer more powerful software like Logic.
I find that large number of Sonar users interesting. I initially thought there will be many more Cubase users than Sonar. Esp since Resolutions is extremely good at marketing (I was almost persuaded to switch to Cubase...). What's more interesting is that there's no distributor in Singapore yet for Sonar, so most users will probably have bought it online. So...there's a large potential market here aiming at PC users.
Also interesting is the lack of Digital Performer users. Who brings in MOTU stuff nowadays anyway.
blueprintstudios
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i think most of the usual consumers using audacity and not too interested in the poll...
fretless6
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Team 108. I know they have MOTU hardware, I assume they would have Digital Performer too.
drumandbass
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I thought i did see some at Sinamex awhile ago.
And they do bring in some MOTU stuff.
Ruxta
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I suck at Audacity. Surprisingly there's a small Reason users. I thought Reason has a cult following?
Have been using Live for performance and sequencing. Haven't really use it thoroughly for production.
I don't see any meaning of this poll since it does not represent the majority. There are far more causal recording/arranger, and bunches of music techies graduates.
Mac is seem to be a norm in music techies institution among the graduates and freshman I met. Foreign musician also hold a fraction of Mac for music.
PC is more for people starting up without any formal institution training or trained from commercial studio. Songwriter tend to be using PC.
Mac is seem to be a norm in music techies institution among the graduates and freshman I met. Foreign musician also hold a fraction of Mac for music.
PC is more for people starting up without any formal institution training or trained from commercial studio. Songwriter tend to be using PC.
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Cheez
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It does more or less represent SOFT, in other words, the everyday user. Would be better if we get more votes, but as it is, it also gives an idea of how many people are really into using DAW apps here. Hence, it's useful for whatever it's worth. For the people into marketing and selling of products, it helps to give a rough idea of what people are using. At least it's helpful to me. People who studies music production or pros, for example, are still the minority compared to the bedroom musician.
And Kongwee, careful about the PC and Mac debate again. It's too dangerous to generalise saying PC are for people without "formal institutiona training". Hans Zimmer himself uses a PC farm (entire stack of PC chained together). For recording purposes, Mac is fine. Music arrangement/composition etc, PC is still very powerful and cost effective even in pro studio settings. For those who need to link up 8-10 computers, it's way more cost effective to have 1-2 Macs and the rest PCs linked together.
And another point - SOFT is about music for everybody; pros to the bedroom producers. And many people who does music in their bedroom, sadly, has better musical arrangment skills than the so-called "pros". I've met people who graduated from "well known" music vasities learning music production/arrangement/orchestration etc and churn out really mediocre music with no sense of orchestration.
Let's try to keep things down to earth, not for the "pros" sitting in $500,000 air-con studios. And not just for those who "graduated from music schools". Because they mean little to the majority of people (many young students, others serious hobbyists) who want to make music for the sheer fun of making music.
And Kongwee, careful about the PC and Mac debate again. It's too dangerous to generalise saying PC are for people without "formal institutiona training". Hans Zimmer himself uses a PC farm (entire stack of PC chained together). For recording purposes, Mac is fine. Music arrangement/composition etc, PC is still very powerful and cost effective even in pro studio settings. For those who need to link up 8-10 computers, it's way more cost effective to have 1-2 Macs and the rest PCs linked together.
And another point - SOFT is about music for everybody; pros to the bedroom producers. And many people who does music in their bedroom, sadly, has better musical arrangment skills than the so-called "pros". I've met people who graduated from "well known" music vasities learning music production/arrangement/orchestration etc and churn out really mediocre music with no sense of orchestration.
Let's try to keep things down to earth, not for the "pros" sitting in $500,000 air-con studios. And not just for those who "graduated from music schools". Because they mean little to the majority of people (many young students, others serious hobbyists) who want to make music for the sheer fun of making music.
logicdroid
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Definitely not a true representation but at least we know the current stats of the fraction of active users here.. no harm at all.
If we keep our minds opened and the forum healthy with great content, who knows it might work out to 100 or more when there's another poll?
Best.
If we keep our minds opened and the forum healthy with great content, who knows it might work out to 100 or more when there's another poll?
Best.
astaroth
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I wasnt able to vote, but I use Sonar as well. I did not like Cubase layout and functions hence I stuck to Sonar. Very comfortable to use. I use it for bedroom recording, definitely suits my purpose. I don't see how a mac would make things better for me, especially since I'm still pretty new to this anyway.
See it is still a platform war. With Logic, Digital Performer and Sonar, now not to avoid it? It is just a matter of time. Then the question is, how can soft member can represent the "bed room" user here? There is huge pools of "bed room" user , and we have not ideal about it. My question what the meaning of this polls, you wanna exclude pros, techies student, what do you left with?
In reality, dealer prefer to sell hardware more. It is not easy to sell software being told by a dealer.
Remember we have some thread that we buy software from internet that is much cheaper here.
I am speaking this becos, I am helping to distribute Band-in-a-box as my freelance. Band-in-a-box do have a DAW for PC only.
In reality, dealer prefer to sell hardware more. It is not easy to sell software being told by a dealer.
Remember we have some thread that we buy software from internet that is much cheaper here.
I am speaking this becos, I am helping to distribute Band-in-a-box as my freelance. Band-in-a-box do have a DAW for PC only.
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Cheez
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Kongwee, we are not excluding of pros and students. We are inclusive of those who are not. That's the point. Of course, what's represented in SOFT is not representative of the entire island. This poll is meant to give a small snapshot of a subgroup of musicians, and I believe it's a large subgroup (ie the non-pros).
OK. I'm reopening this poll indefinitely and see what happens.
And really, polls in forums will never be representative. But as it is, it gives whatever little info it does. As it is, in fact, all polls here can be thrown out for that matter. But considering the age group that frequent this forum, I believe the snapshot tells something. Let's leave the poll on and see...
OK. I'm reopening this poll indefinitely and see what happens.
And really, polls in forums will never be representative. But as it is, it gives whatever little info it does. As it is, in fact, all polls here can be thrown out for that matter. But considering the age group that frequent this forum, I believe the snapshot tells something. Let's leave the poll on and see...
gutturalpiss
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Others; Ardour =p
Speaking of Ardour, the Harrison Mixbus looks mighty fine!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa_o6hmJg3Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa_o6hmJg3Q
logicdroid
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Sure looks cool. Any links to reviews?
gutturalpiss
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Nope, there is no "review" yet, or at least none that qualify as one (i.e scrutinizing features). But I found user "opinions" here. That's because it's pretty new, only around 1-2 months old.
It all started out with Harrison's Xdubber, after which they decided to release just the software for mainstream consumption.
But one thing Ardour and Harrison's custom spin share in common at this stage is:
No MIDI
No Surround (as in no such panner, but Ardour itself can do 6 channels per track without probs)
That's right, but it will change as soon as Ardour 3.0 gets up and running. Right now it's pre-alpha, and Harrison is still contributing code to the version 2 tree so it'd be a while more before they even consider adopting the new release (which will probably be somewhere after at least Ardour 3.1 and I foresee that to occur in maybe mid 2010). And there's no telling if Harrison will skip MIDI indefinitely.
It all started out with Harrison's Xdubber, after which they decided to release just the software for mainstream consumption.
But one thing Ardour and Harrison's custom spin share in common at this stage is:
No MIDI
No Surround (as in no such panner, but Ardour itself can do 6 channels per track without probs)
That's right, but it will change as soon as Ardour 3.0 gets up and running. Right now it's pre-alpha, and Harrison is still contributing code to the version 2 tree so it'd be a while more before they even consider adopting the new release (which will probably be somewhere after at least Ardour 3.1 and I foresee that to occur in maybe mid 2010). And there's no telling if Harrison will skip MIDI indefinitely.
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gutturalpiss
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Oops, I forgot to mention VST is already implemented to some extent in Ardour for Linux. You can expect your NI stuff to just work, but not your Ozone mastering suite. But, Linux only, as the VST back-end so far can't be implemented on OS X (wrapper library around a reverse-engineered Steinberg SDK file + Wine).
A Linux release of the Mixbus will be announced as soon as they can figure out a clean way to distribute it.
I don't really know what to say about all the "sounds better" remarks. It may be "sounds different", because "sounds better" is really..err, stupid. But hey, I'm one of the drooling ones itching to lay my hands on this to really "understand" the "sounds better" thing.
A Linux release of the Mixbus will be announced as soon as they can figure out a clean way to distribute it.
I don't really know what to say about all the "sounds better" remarks. It may be "sounds different", because "sounds better" is really..err, stupid. But hey, I'm one of the drooling ones itching to lay my hands on this to really "understand" the "sounds better" thing.
