What's your effects chain like?

[Stillborn]

not @ the moment...

6 Band

Hey if you are selling it i am willing to buy it from you.

 

[Stillborn]

what amp r u using?

(juz curious...)

it may be that your amp's gain isn't intense enough to induce harmonics. a supplementary drive pedal does help boost the gain.

i went full circle, used to plug straight into the amp, then my chain became effects laden, now back to plugging in straight. a lot of it had to do with the amp, i started out with a small practice amp (i think many people here do likewise) & that doesn't help generate good tones/ at least what you wanna hear. after acquiring a good amp, then that's all that matters: guitar + amp = happy

ocassionally i do use my EQ + tubescreamer through the loop. it sounds better this way.

 

[guitar_phreak]

I've really have not paid much attention to amps (which I should!!!)

I'm using a poor little Ibanez ToneBlaster 15 as my practice amp in my room. When I perform, I usually (and totally unprofessionally) take the amp as it is...i dun adjust much except the eq....

Any recommendations to a "good" amp? Something not too bulky, but enough "quality" to sound good....?

ps: one more out of point question....I performed once with a marshall amp...and once i plugged in my ax, i was ZAPPED...I had to stand on insulation for the rest of the show.... any idea why? Some grounding fault in my guitar??

 

[marshall_law]

I've really have not paid much attention to amps (which I should!!!)

I'm using a poor little Ibanez ToneBlaster 15 as my practice amp in my room. When I perform, I usually (and totally unprofessionally) take the amp as it is...i dun adjust much except the eq....

Any recommendations to a "good" amp? Something not too bulky, but enough "quality" to sound good....?

ps: one more out of point question....I performed once with a marshall amp...and once i plugged in my ax, i was ZAPPED...I had to stand on insulation for the rest of the show.... any idea why? Some grounding fault in my guitar??

AVT 20... not very expensive and not very big. But you want good sound, get some amp with 12 inch speakers. More bottom end. Peavey are also good. But different amp different sound and the choice of your depends on your guitar, style and what sound do you want to achieve.

Regarding the zapping, i think is the 2 pin pluck. Change it to a 3 pin should solve the problem cause marshall are made in England and they use 3 pin pluck.

My chain is DSL 401 -> MT-2-> JH-1-> Guitar plus footswitch.
By the way, i though the loop effects is for phaser, delay etc? Can distortion and wah wah be hook up through the FX loop?

 

[brundisium]

basic is all time based effect in the loop and effect like OD/fuzz/distortion straight into the amp. BUT, its NOT a must that everyone must follow. Its what that can get a good tone for the guitarist count, even if the way its being connected, its not the usual way. Some guitarist get unusal sound through "wrong" connection of the pedals etc......

 

[subversion]

my amp is a Peavey XXL, solid state menace, worth every cent of the price. i'm waiting for a 2 X 12 Marshall cab to arrrive to supplement the audio assault from this baby :twisted:

similarly for amp, i went full circle: started with solid state, then hybrid, then tubes, now back to solid state...

those small practice amps are by no means lousy, but you'll know they are lacking in features & tonal manifestations along the way. a good amp is one where you can get can what you want out of it, regardless of its brand name or make.

 

[veez]

AVT 20... not very expensive and not very big. But you want good sound, get some amp with 12 inch speakers. More bottom end. Peavey are also good. But different amp different sound and the choice of your depends on your guitar, style and what sound do you want to achieve.

Regarding the zapping, i think is the 2 pin pluck. Change it to a 3 pin should solve the problem cause marshall are made in England and they use 3 pin pluck.

My chain is DSL 401 -> MT-2-> JH-1-> Guitar plus footswitch.
By the way, i though the loop effects is for phaser, delay etc? Can distortion and wah wah be hook up through the FX loop?[/quote]


Hey marshall law,
would like to know how is the DSL401? does it give you any technical problems? How is the distortion like? Rich and warm or heavy?

 

[marshall_law]

Good clean and the overdrive can be warm, bluesy and even heavy cause there is 2 OD channel. The 2nd give you more heavy type of sound. I love its clean sound most.

 

[veez]

Good clean and the overdrive can be warm, bluesy and even heavy cause there is 2 OD channel. The 2nd give you more heavy type of sound. I love its clean sound most.

Does it overheat like mad? heard my friend's broke down couple of times.

 

[subversion]

the Marshall DSL 401 is my ex-amp...

it does heat up pretty quickly but it doesn't OVERheat. when i used to own it, i aimed a small table fan at its rear and played for hours without any heat-related problems.

why i sold it off: it runs on EL84 power tubes so it gives that very fuzzy overdrive, creating ill definition at the lower frequencies. i'm into clear, single notes definition, so the 401 has to go.

strength: the clean channel will shame fender, it's nowhere near Fender's chimey cleans, but it's unique enough to make it very good in its own stead. the EQ is dynamic & it comes equipped with a Celestion speaker, which IMO is impressive.

 

[marshall_law]

Just put a fan behind the amp. Most tubes has heat related problem and with a cooling system, your tubes can last longer.

 

[guitar_phreak]

I've never used a tube amp.... I take it that tube amps are expensive to upkeep? Do you have to change the tubes all the time??

I've seen some pedals where there are tubes....does it achieve the same effect??

I've got a fren who changed to a Line6 VettaII with a super sophisticated head and a similarly sophisticated cab/speaker.... What's the deal with that? Are those fancy-smancy gizmos good?? I have problems handling 5 knobs already!!(pre post bas mid treb) haha

 

[brundisium]

tube amp is not difficult to work with. There are some learning curve and if just using a tube amp at low volume(at home). The tubes(pre amp/power tubes) can actually last quite long. The rate of tubes going bad also quite rare unless really unlucky. The tubes are not too expensive also, unless going into the NOS(new old stock) tubes that are not in production anymore.

Tube based pedals to a certain extend does have some good tone, but it wont make much different if its being used through a practice amp. Good tone are achieve through the combination of amp, guitar, effect, and playing style, imho.

With the technology heading in guitar related field, tubes, analog VS solid state, digital, modelling amp, there are both side of suppoter. Some only into tube stuff while some more into digital stuff. Imo, as long as they give you what you want to hear, they are good.
As for line 6?? Well they are definitely good with what they have for products, convenient, many amp/cab setting in one amp. Great for studio or doing session work. But if really want to talk bout tone, i do believe the majority will still go back to the good ole tube amp. A cranked tube amp and a cranked modelling amp will show why digital stuff might not matched up in term of tone.

 

[marshall_law]

With the technology heading in guitar related field, tubes, analog VS solid state, digital, modelling amp, there are both side of suppoter. Some only into tube stuff while some more into digital stuff. Imo, as long as they give you what you want to hear, they are good.
As for line 6?? Well they are definitely good with what they have for products, convenient, many amp/cab setting in one amp. Great for studio or doing session work. But if really want to talk bout tone, i do believe the majority will still go back to the good ole tube amp. A cranked tube amp and a cranked modelling amp will show why digital stuff might not matched up in term of tone.

Nothing beats a cranked up tube amp. If you want good overdrive, it gotta be from a tube amp. But tube amp must be crank up to sound good. So if you're living in a area where your neighbours are very fussy, tube amp is a no no unless you got a powerbrake.

 

[repulse87]

I run my Mesa F-30 through a power attunuetor from Dr Z. , I get the tube saturation and rich distortion without killing my neighbours. If you guys have tube amps, you'll know even 30 watts is an overkill!! My fren used to have a Marshall DSL401, it didn't work for him coz it was overheating, reverb didn't work, cold solder joins, maybe he was unlucky! But the sounds were good! I think the EL84s give the amp a very chimey clean and because of the fact that EL84s saturate easily then conventional EL34 tubes, its easier to get tube overdrive.

 

[veez]

What you guys think of the hybrid amps as opposed to pure tube amps?

Amps like the MARSHALL AVT series combines preamp tuibe and solidstate power section. Wonder what would be a better choice if one would dig into fatter, heavier and crunchier tone. I am thinking of getting the AVT 50 pretty soon.

What's the real tone difference between solid state and all-tube anyway?

 

[Ragus]

Tube and solid state don't have much difference in the preamp section, but a lot of difference in the power amp section. The benefits of tube power amps are gotten mostly from being distorted. I find a tube power amp generates harmonics that sound sweeter, more dynamic when distorted compared to a solid state one. Those hybrid amps with tube preamp and solid state power amp are more like 'hype-brid' to me. A solid state preamp and tube power amp hybrid, like some old Music Mans are the real deal. That being said, sound is subjective really and I have heard many good sounding all-solid-state amps too, especially for clean tone.

What I avoid is digital stuff..Sorry but I have never heard a good digital distortion effect. Line6 products sound hollow to me. Oh that reminds me, I was at the Illegal Eagles concert 2 years ago and happened to take the front seat. Saw the lead guitarist using a Line6 Pod into a Marshall amp. The rhythm guitarist plugged straight into another Marshall. And I couldn't hear the guitar solos that the lead guitarist was playing the whole evening, the sound just did not cut through. The rhythm guitar was much easier to hear.

 

[marshall_law]

If you can sustain tube amp, by all means get a tube amps. I've try AVT 50 but its clean is really bad but the overdrive is nice. Get a amp with 12 inch speaker too. No point getting a tube amp with 10 inch speaker. 12 inch speaker gots more bottom end.

 

[brundisium]

imho, 12 inch speaker is a good medium for guitar amp. If really have chance to try before getting the amp, with the same amp, but different speaker configuration, the tone will be different. Some people like the tone through 10inch speaker. Some prefered 12 inch. The response, characteristic of the tone will be different. For different situation, sometime the player would like something with less bottom end and more tight and focused characteristic in the tone. In the end, its just preference, not a must.....

 

[veez]

If you can sustain tube amp, by all means get a tube amps. I've try AVT 50 but its clean is really bad but the overdrive is nice. Get a amp with 12 inch speaker too. No point getting a tube amp with 10 inch speaker. 12 inch speaker gots more bottom end.

yo marshall law, how good does the AVT 50 overdrive sound? can you obtain good heavy and crunchy tones? And is the gain fuller and warmer? i am really looking into it.