Whats the fastest way to learn doublestrokes or any other strkes
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shaneypants
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5 years is a little long. But sadly, there isn't a short cut. Just keep practicing really. Even if it takes another 6 months. I think that's how long I took to master it. Another 3 months to correct it.
weckl-x
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Lol, I'm the opposite, I'm more comfortable with my doubles than singles.
If you've hit a rut with a certain technique, I'm thinking the fastest way will definitely be to have an instructor/teacher assess you and help you work through it.
Quite like weckl-x, I'm actually more comfortable with doubles strokes once I mastered it. For me, its easier to articulate and much less tiring than if u were to do single strokes at the same speed.
I think the hard part with doubles is getting the hang of it. My suggestion to you would be to spend a considerable amount of time practising real SLOW, and focusing on getting the correct motion down rather than gaining speed. I've seen too many of my frens try to jump the gun by going fast without getting the hang of the motion, only to end up with sloppy sounding strokes even after months of unproductive practise.
Personally, the technique I was taught for double strokes is the 'drop-catch' technique. Use your wrist to make the first stroke, simultaneously opening your fingers. For the second stroke, use your fingers to snap the stick back into starting position. Kind of hard to explain without demo, but do a Youtube search, you should find some good info out there. And yeah, a teacher will help a lot too. Cheers.
I think the hard part with doubles is getting the hang of it. My suggestion to you would be to spend a considerable amount of time practising real SLOW, and focusing on getting the correct motion down rather than gaining speed. I've seen too many of my frens try to jump the gun by going fast without getting the hang of the motion, only to end up with sloppy sounding strokes even after months of unproductive practise.
Personally, the technique I was taught for double strokes is the 'drop-catch' technique. Use your wrist to make the first stroke, simultaneously opening your fingers. For the second stroke, use your fingers to snap the stick back into starting position. Kind of hard to explain without demo, but do a Youtube search, you should find some good info out there. And yeah, a teacher will help a lot too. Cheers.
Try the moeller technique or something like that. Its like you hit the pad (using full wrist bend) and then the second hit use half wrist bend. So before you lift your wrist to make the first hit, you'll do a small tap for the second hit. Start slow. Its kinda hard to explain. But check youtube for moeller technique.
Bro, i think there is no fastest way 
It's all a process, and dependent on factors like how you practice and how long you practice. it's a constant development process, and if you are serious about it you will probably never "perfect" the double stroke cause it will develop the more you play like dave weckl, he changed his doublestroke technique as he developed to suit his "open" type playing... so just practice hard, don't get too discouraged - it's kinda like sports. you gotta work it!
It's all a process, and dependent on factors like how you practice and how long you practice. it's a constant development process, and if you are serious about it you will probably never "perfect" the double stroke cause it will develop the more you play like dave weckl, he changed his doublestroke technique as he developed to suit his "open" type playing... so just practice hard, don't get too discouraged - it's kinda like sports. you gotta work it!
travisser
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i've been playing drums for about half a year. 3 months ago i bought a practice pad and tried doing double strokes. i dont know if im doing it correctly but when i compare it with the double stroke lessons, its the same. and i only spent fifteen minutes. i guess its just getting the rebounce and hitting it back again. its suppose to be easy. try not doing right right left left right right left left but just hitting one time and rebounce the 2nd one.
just my 0.02..
just my 0.02..
I wouldn't encourage you to depend on the rebound because you'd not be able to get much (if any!) rebound off toms that're tuned low or loose, for instance floor toms.
I don't mean to cast any doubt on your playing, but seeing how you've been practicing on a practice pad for 3 months, and have been playing for slightly more than half a year, I'd wager that you might be doing your double strokes wrongly. Double strokes and single strokes are the building blocks of your playing, so they're easy to pick up, but extremely difficult to master and to play them cleanly and smoothly
To TS, the best way to practice would be to play the double strokes at a very slow tempo, not accenting anything but keeping all the strokes even. Then slowly work up a good speed and mantain it, increasing speed slowly as you get used to the tempo. Once you can get the "feel" down, you can work on the accenting.
Thomas Lang's exercise for double strokes sound ridiculously simple, but its a biatch to pull off... simply put, accent your 2nd note. (r R l L) Dave Weckl's exercise is good if you're working with rebound and the natural movement of the stick, simply put, after your first hit, you move your wrist and hit the 2nd stroke as though you were playing with a German grip, hitting in a circular movement outwards. This allows for maximum rebound and maximum resonance from whatever drum you're hitting on.
Hope it helped
p/s: HAHA i'm not one to talk, not like i'm a double-stroke god lah.
Check out this link. Its a good video covering several approaches to double stroke rolls.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LJWldEMFem4
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LJWldEMFem4
RudimentalDrummer
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Aiyoh learn double-stroke must ask me lah. I'm a good example of a student-drummer who cannot do a proper double-stroke (for a year using the Pull-Up Technique). This Techniques is very difficult to master (Not that it's wrong - but tough) - though it is said that Pull-Up Techniques (even-out the sound). One year of practice - still bery chai-lat - cannot make it - Worst when one have to try applying this double-stroking with single stroke together with a Leg-Ostinato (eg a Samba Foot Pattern)....
After that I took lessons from Alvin (Music Lab) - Alvin taught me a double stroke technique using full-rebound (which is a 100% reverse-technique from what I've been doing for one year) - It was difficult for me to unlearn here (cause I was using Match Grip then - now French Grip)...
In 3 months - I could really expedite my Double stroke (playing with some Foot-Ostinato eg Samba Foot Patterns here) - Here there need some control - cause when you mix Singles with Doubles - it still have to sound smooth with good timming...
To share - It is good to use the Rebound-Techniques for Doubles, but must expedite the Technique correctly - so that the sound is not muffled...
It's good to get someone to show you.
PS; - But dont know why - I love Singles (and I use it very oftenly then doubles)...Hm.mmm maybe because my Idol is Dennis Chamber lah ...Kekekekeke !
After that I took lessons from Alvin (Music Lab) - Alvin taught me a double stroke technique using full-rebound (which is a 100% reverse-technique from what I've been doing for one year) - It was difficult for me to unlearn here (cause I was using Match Grip then - now French Grip)...
In 3 months - I could really expedite my Double stroke (playing with some Foot-Ostinato eg Samba Foot Patterns here) - Here there need some control - cause when you mix Singles with Doubles - it still have to sound smooth with good timming...
To share - It is good to use the Rebound-Techniques for Doubles, but must expedite the Technique correctly - so that the sound is not muffled...
It's good to get someone to show you.
PS; - But dont know why - I love Singles (and I use it very oftenly then doubles)...Hm.mmm maybe because my Idol is Dennis Chamber lah ...Kekekekeke !
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atayxw
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I found derrick pope's lesson in this video extremely helpful. my double strokes improved like hell after just a month of practicing his exercises.
http://www.derrickpope.net - get the music sheets from there. very good for double stroke beginners.
i also use E-pad practice pads which offer less rebound to get the wrists working. bought em at drum resources...
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plainsman
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doublestroke.... just stroke it....
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ok, crappy jokes aside, i personally like to instruct my fellow brethren to think about possibilities of double strokes in terms of dynamics and also the physical motion itself.
from there, i often draw up a table of double strokes.
while not exhaustive, here are the following:
(dynamic level - physical motion required)
loud-loud :: stroke - stroke
loud-soft :: stroke - tap
loud-soft :: stroke - bounce
soft-loud :: tap - stroke
soft-soft :: tap - tap
soft-soft :: tap - bounce
needless to say, yours sadistically often drill them followers of da drum craft in the above.
hope the above helps!!!
cheers
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ok, crappy jokes aside, i personally like to instruct my fellow brethren to think about possibilities of double strokes in terms of dynamics and also the physical motion itself.
from there, i often draw up a table of double strokes.
while not exhaustive, here are the following:
(dynamic level - physical motion required)
loud-loud :: stroke - stroke
loud-soft :: stroke - tap
loud-soft :: stroke - bounce
soft-loud :: tap - stroke
soft-soft :: tap - tap
soft-soft :: tap - bounce
needless to say, yours sadistically often drill them followers of da drum craft in the above.
hope the above helps!!!
cheers
spinninsticks
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To add on, I personally find that incoorporating the metronome and practising double strokes (controlled) is also essential as it allows you to cultivate the awareness of using double stroke rolls at the right speed/subdivisions given any tempo of the song.
I used to practise the double stroke without any metronome, just going as fast as I could. But after playing on the kit for a while, I realised that my doubles are affecting my tempo consistency. That was due not knowing at what speed to execute my doubles.
Ps. Alfe is spot on about all the different variations of the doubles, and sometimes it also takes a sadist to help speed up your learning curve :mrgreen:
I used to practise the double stroke without any metronome, just going as fast as I could. But after playing on the kit for a while, I realised that my doubles are affecting my tempo consistency. That was due not knowing at what speed to execute my doubles.
Ps. Alfe is spot on about all the different variations of the doubles, and sometimes it also takes a sadist to help speed up your learning curve :mrgreen:
RudimentalDrummer
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Oh and yes - The Fastest Way to learn Double-Stroke (and to play it Fast Later On )is a must to learn how to Play-It-Slow while keeping time and getting the sound right by watching and listening to it while you expedite the strokes, when starting out.
Am I correct - Yes.
Am I correct - Yes.
