What is the best choice give the budget

awesome snowy!

ive checked it out, i think my best option for my budget is still ranking.

thanks for your helpful eye!
 
Don't know if it's too late to say this, but the Pearl Visions have pretty good features for the price you pay. $2,100. Leaves you with $400 to mess around with your cymbals.
 
our bro lee aka BSLTN has bought a sweet looking gretch catalina maple... the finish is awesome and the hardware that comes with it are great...

plus it's only 1.5k and he has lots of spare $ to get cymbals!!! yumm
 
Yeah Benonsnare, a bit too late but thanks for the thots!

you can check out my new set here

http://www.flickr.com/photos/12073521@N06/?saved=1

if you notice the date is 19-Aug 00.30AM, that's because I started work after the inspiring meetup till pass midnight

thanks to all for your contribution in helping me crystalized what to buy...especially for bro D_H who allow me to visit his place and also all those that comes to D_H place that day..

1. BSLTN
2. Jeepers
3. marc
4. smil
5.Caijunlong

....you all have help me a lot in one way or another !!!!
 
bro lee, maybe one day we should have a gathering to ur house and have our tuning master bro fuman help u fine tune your set to ur utmose liking man...
 
Cool kit... just tuned a black hawk a few days back... sounded good with stock skins... will sound even better with evans... 8)
 
Ha..ha..ha..caijunlong....marc...it is tempting and my hand really temped to hit hard and to try out how far it can go, but I have to control myself as the sound leak and vibration is too much even with muff and pillow + 4 mattras on 4 sides....really too powerfull for my small room, the main issue that I can hear disturbing from outside my unit is the bass then floor toms and snare (all other can be heard clearly too, but not as loud)

D_H,

yes I have been thinking about changing the skin, especially the 2 rack tom and the snare, the floor toms and bass drum is great already,

I am thinking of evan G2 clear for toms and Coated G1 for snare OR remo pinstripe for toms and coated ambassador for snare...any suggestion on this ? do you think I should change the resonant head too (especially the snare? any recommendation...I have impression the resonant head should be as thin as possible...it that right?

as for now I am scratching my head trying to come out with economic solution for the sound/vibration issue... ranging from raised floor, dry wall...acustic widges/form, etc...the only problem is....I have spend all my budget and digging deep into my pocket does not get much out of it...ha..ha..ha....thinking....thinking....may be I should listen to D_H and get RT....but I am afraid I will be turn off by the sound...hope to resolve this soon, I am afraid with the budget constraints it will take some time...till then I can only play very soft (I often look at the set and touching it only, but you all know how I feel....how I like to really experiment with the sound but have to hold that thought for now, so marc I dont think you like feel what I feel...hope soon we can have some tuning+testing session...until then any suggestion on cheap solution is most welcome
 
hey whats your kit sizes again? any windows in your jamming room? did u cover with curtains? i just held a mini practice at my house yesterday. both bassist and guitarist used 10w amps. tiny ones... this is the requirement i gave to them because i also afraid to disturb the neighbours.

ive did some testing on my own. ask bassist to play and i walk around the house. i would say the volume is rather moderate. Im on a 5.5 Inch raised platform, NO rockwool filling. slapped on a 190x120 carpet. i also have 4 inches thick false ceiling in my room on the 2nd level. i have a blind instead of curtains covering my windows. acoustic foam will be in soon. so far no complaints.

if budget is really an issue at the moment u might wanna try talking to your neighbours and see if a practice schedule can be worked out so that u have at least 1 hour of solid whacking a day? its sad to be able to see but no touch... my parents couldnt stand me last time =x


just my suggestion.
 
Gammy... it depends what you want... the Evans G2 has more resonance and less depth than Remo Pinstripe while the latter has the opposite. For the snare batter head, whatever brand you choose for the toms, use the same brand. you may want to try having coated head in place of the snare resonant head. You will be surprised what you will hear... 8)
 
Here's some drumhead explanations adopted:

Drumheads

What is a Drum Head? Although there are few variants, typically they are made of polyester or Mylar®. Mylar® is a registered trade name of DuPont Teijin Films, which can be read about here if you want the detail. These films are tough, general purpose films that are transparent in 48 through 92 gauges and translucent in heavier gauges. They have balanced tensile properties and excellent resistance to moisture and most chemicals. They can withstand temperature extremes from -100°F to 300ºF. Mylar® does not become brittle with age under normal conditions because it contains no plasticizers.

Heads:

o Coated heads will be warmer and minimize high frequency tones. The stick slap has a very bright element to it, much like sandpaper rubbing together, but the main element is darker in tone. Coated is probably required if doing brushwork. What follows are general observations and you should try them all to see if you hear or experience and differences? Coatings vary depending upon manufacturer. Some manufacturers have created heads which give then a very unique sound and wear characteristic. By way of example, REMO offers the Renaissance™ or Suede™ series which gives the head sort of a less resonant but midrange presence to the sound, whereas the FiberSkyn™ heads have a much more mellow tone to them. Coatings from brand to brand not only offer a sound that separates one brand from another, but wear characteristics are affected as well. In most cases, REMO will be a warmer coating at the expense of faster wear on normal WEATHERKING™ drum heads like that found of the Diplomat™, Ambassador™, Emperor™, etc. However heads like the FiberSkyn™ may potentially last less or longer because a lot of this has to do with your style of play. Heads like the REMO Suede™ series and Evans J1™ have an embossed textured surface, thus longer life and do not chip like normal coating would. To my ear, Aquarian is on the brighter end of the scale for presence but their coating will outlast most everyone else’s and is also thinner and a bit smoother. Evan’s sort of strikes a medium balance between REMO and Aquarian. Keep an open mind because manufacturers are improving their lines all the time.

o Clear heads are bright with overtones, the stick slap does not have bright sandpaper like characteristics as found on coated heads, but the overall presence of the slap is very bright in the upper register and carries through the mix very well.

o Ebony is in between the coated and walks that balance of properties between coated and clear and the stick slap does not have bright sandpaper like characteristics as found on coated heads. It produces a less of a high frequency overtone resonance (“darker” tone).

o 2-ply: These aid in durability and can also limit high pitched overtones. Often referred to as “muted” in tone, when they do not have a control ring adhered to them do produce lingering resonance and bright overtones the higher they are tuned. These come in multiple film weights depending upon the manufacturer.

o Snare Side Heads are specifically designed to be thinner and should be the only style head used on the snare side of the snare drum. Thin heads enhance sensitivity and are brighter whereas thick heads are exactly opposite. The most common weight is a 300 weight.

o Hazy heads are generally both "bright" and have a stronger "midrange presence" to the sound.

o Glass heads are both brighter and drier than Hazy or other pigmented heads.

o Thickness - In all cases thicker heads will be mellower and less sensitive than that of the exact same thinner counterpart. For example, a REMO Diplomat Clear will be brighter and more sensitive than a REMO Ambassador Clear, the Ambassador being thicker than the Diplomat and both being single ply.

o Etched – The finish of the film has rough sort of embossed surface and does not chip away as does true coated surfaces. Good examples of this are the Evans J1™ and REMO Suede™ series of heads. These are favored for Jazz like applications.


Tom Batter Drum Heads

Categorized in 5 different categories, within each are subtle to very subtle tonal differences and can be used interchangeably with a similar end result for sound. For example, in Category 1 a REMO Ambassador™ coated will sound very similar to an Evan's G1™ or Aquarian Satin Finish™. However, between categories there are major sound differences.

* Category 1 - Sensitive, good stick feel, open sound with good sustain and resonance. Single ply, not muffled medium weight such as

o REMO Ambassador™ - Classic open stock drumhead sound

o REMO Renaissance™ - A bit more presence than Ambassador™

o REMO FiberSkyn™ FA – Warmer than the above.

o Aquarian Satin Finish™ - Classic open stock drumhead sound

o Aquarian Classic Clear Series™ - Brighter than above

o Evans G1™ series - Classic open stock drumhead sound

* Category 2 – A more mellow tone compared to single ply with overtones becoming less prevalent on the initial attack, stick feel and sustain are reduced slightly; A sound similar to placing an “O” ring around the head. Comprised of either single and 2-ply muffled or heavy weight heads, these can help warm up or round out the tone, yet retain an element of sustain with minimal high-pitched overtones. This would include heads such as the

o REMO Emperor™ (2-7mil plies)

o REMO PowerStroke3™ - Single ply feel – minimized overtones

o REMO FiberSkyn™ F1 – Warm and open – minimal overtones

o Evans G2™ - Slightly muted over Evans G1™, open sound tuned high.

o Aquarian Studio-X Series™ - Warm overtones, single head feel

o Aquarian Double Thin™ - slightly more responsive and open than Response 2™

o Aquarian Response 2™ - Focused sustain strong attack

* Category 3 – Muffled and suitable for heavy wear concerns. This category is sort of limited. These all take the Category 2 style heads and add a bit darker tone to them by have a section of the head adhered together like the REMO PinStripe™, or add thickness to the film like the Aquarian Performance II™. They also encompass almost anything with a "Power dot" on it. These produce a very short initial attack coupled with a very short sustain add bring out the low frequencies by minimizing upper register response.

o REMO PinStripe™ - Excellent for that classic fat deep tone

o Aquarian Response 2™ – (yes bridges both Categories) Focused sustain strong attack

o REMO Control Sound™ - thick attack and wear resistant w/high-pitched overtones

o Aquarian Signature Carmine Appice – Strong attack, warm fundamental tone.

* Category 4 – Very dry heavy muffled. There isn’t much competition in this category. These heads are as void of overtones as they come, yet still produce a dark sound that enhances the depth of sound and a very focused attack. Classic 70’s sound.

o Evan’s Hydraulic Glass™ - Classic oil filled 2-ply.

o REMO PowerStroke4™ - Like a REMO Emperor™ w/Underlay at outer edge.

* Category 5 - Thin Single ply, not muffled and thin in weight. These are usually only suitable for an orchestral setting, light touch or Jazz type situation where feel and sensitivity are of the utmost importance.

o REMO Diplomat™ weighted heads - Very resonant/sensitive used in various REMO lines

o Evan’s Strata 1000™ - Warm and simulates the feel and tone of calkskin

o Aquarian Hi-Frequency™ – Much like the above, a Jazz favorite

o Aquarian American Vintage Series™ - Available in thin weight to simulate calfskin heads

Toms Resonant Drum Heads

Note, you can obviously use any head, but it is generally accepted to use a single ply head. However, the following will explain and present guidelines on what to expect for popular style heads:



* Thin resonant heads: These accentuate the higher registered overtones of the drum and shell that thicker or 2-ply head take away from the sound. It adds back an edge to the sound to compensate for the tone a thicker 2-ply or muted head from Category 2, 3 or 4 may have lessened or eliminated. These are easier to excite, and do not make the tone linger on or add low end warmth. This is because they are thin and have less mass. Things of less mass stop quicker once set into motion. So if you want a bright attack and less low end resonance, these are good choices.

o REMO Diplomat™ weight heads

o FiberSkyn 3 FT/FD™

o Aquarian Hi-Frequency™

o Evan’s Genera Resonant™

o Evans Glass Resonant™



* Medium or Standard Weigh Heads: These will have less high frequency sustain than the thin counterparts such as the REMO Diplomat™ or Evans Glass™. They are thicker and as such stay in motion a bit longer and add warmth or depth to the tone. As a reminder, coating adds even more thickness (depending upon manufacturer and style of coating) and can further enhance low end resonance while keeping high-frequencies in check. Moreover, ebony colored heads because of their inherent properties take the low end response and make it right in between clear and texture coated heads. They are ideal where you want a great attack yet decent low end depth.

o REMO Ambassador™

o REMO Ambassador™ Ebony

o REMO FiberSkyn™ FA

o Aquarian Classic Clear™

o Aquarian Satin Finish™

o Evans G1™

* Heavy Muffled or 2-ply: Comprised of either single and 2-ply muffled or heavy weight heads, these can help warm up or round out the tone, yet retain an element of sustain with minimal high-pitched overtones. When used in conjunction with Category 1 or 2 batter heads, in can add an element of warmth by minimizing high pitched overtones. They create a very warm tone and round low end attack much the same as adding muting devices to the batter head might. This would include heads such as the

o REMO Emperor™ (2-7mil plies) – general warm sound, less high overtones

o REMO PowerStroke3™ - Further minimized high overtones

o REMO FiberSkyn™ F1 – Warm and open – minimal overtones

o Evans G2™ - Same as REMO Emperor™.

o Aquarian Studio-X Series™ - Warm overtones, longer resonance than above

o Aquarian Double Thin™ - Same as REMO Emperor™

o Aquarian Response 2™ - Focused warm sustain w/strong attack

Toms, Selections and Characteristic Sounds

* Category 1 Batter paired with Medium Weight Single Ply Resonant of same type: Very resonant, high ring can be very prominent when clear resonant is used, more so when clear batter is used. Sound goes warm when coated versions are used, very good sustain, excellent stick response. Coated on top w/clear on bottom produces warm attack w/bright overtones. This is what a large portion of jazz, country and light rock guy’s use. Tuning can control ring easily. Popular recording choice. Coated provides a nice sibilance to the stick attack while clear provides predominate midrange attack. Examples are

o REMO Ambassador™

o Aquarian Satin Finish™

o EVANS G1™

* Category 2 Batter paired with Thin Weight Single Ply Resonant: Resonant but focused, Initial stick attack is not as sharp as with a clear batter head. An element of hi-frequency ring is present in the resonance but overall sustain is less than if a medium weight resonant head were used. Good stick response. A popular recording choice where you want a more focused and less open sound, not completely dry. Works very well for close microphone situations. For a little warmer sound and more resonance, use a medium weight coated head on the bottom or Ebony series. Examples are

o REMO PowerStroke3 with REMO Diplomat™ - more low-end resonance use Ambassador™

o REMO FiberSkyn™ FA with REMO Diplomat™

o REMO Emperor™ with REMO Diplomat™

o Aquarian Studio X™ with Aquarian Hi-Frequency – Very warm w/High-Pitched Overtones

o Evans G2™ with EVANS Genera Resonant Clear™

* Category 3 Batter paired with Medium Weight Single Ply Resonant Focused Initial stick attack, deep fat sound, sharp edge to tone with clear head top and bottom. Sustain in the lower registers is prominent and deep when tuned low. Tradition deep fat sound. Stick response is moving towards less of a bounce. A popular recording choice where you want a very focused muted sound bordering on the dry side. Works very well for close microphone situations and where the term punchy or articulate seems to be what you are after. Like the others, for a little warmer sound and lower end resonance, use a medium weight coated head on the bottom or Ebony series. Examples are

o REMO PinStripe™ with REMO Ambassador™ or Suede™

o REMO Control Sound™ with REMO Ambassador™ or Suede™

o Aquarian Performance II™ with Aquarian Classic Clear™


adopted from http://home.earthlink.net/~prof.sound/id5.html
 
my suggestion is to go for evans on all of your heads....

the evans EC2 CLEAR for tom batter and Evans G1 for resonant...

snare u can try the EC snare heads but ranking NEVER stocks it so u can try other options too...

bass drum go for evans EMAD system since those are the greatest on bass drum head with dead and punchy sound emitting on the bass due to the foam.

thats about it bro but the heads can set you back easily about 200....

It's a good investment though... :D
 
Black Panther = Chris Alder right? ahha. All Kits sounds good la. Get a expiereced drummer to tune it. well tuned = happy playing if I was u DW or PDP
 
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