Warning Scam Alert

wasp said:
Both parties are at fault la.
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True, very true.

To Cannon:
You're making a mountain of a molehill. Gerald did not "scam" you, but instead just backed out from his deals. Obviously, he is not honouring the deal that he originally made with you, but the choice of words are very harsh. He did not scam you at all. He did not take a single cent, you did not take the amp. All this happened within a few days, you barely got to see him. So why are you trying to achieve with this particular post? Are you trying to flame someone just because you have issues with him?
Yes, you may have issues, but what you're doing doesn't justify what you are doing now. And considering both parties side of the story, this makes you like a complete fool

To Gerald:
I'm not too sure about you, but around here (or at least for me), when deals are made, the buyer and seller honours the deal. If buyer posts his/her selling price at a particular price, then he cannot up the price when people ask about it. The seller, in his/her case, cannot lowball. Yes, nothing wrong with asking for a cheaper price, but lowballing is off. When the both buyer and seller has already made the deal, it is polite not to back off at last minute unless there are exceptionally good reasons.

Now, now that the full story is made clear, let's make peace k?
Just don't repeat the mistakes
 
Velvetrevolver try not to be so stupid and read the whole thread.

The seller has enough reason and right to cancel the deal, even more so since they hadnt met or anything. Gerald-wow was not in the wrong, although it is nice to have smooth transactions with no cancellings all the time.

If you are selling something for $200 then suddenly someone offers $500, don't tell me you will turn the $500 down.
 
Hey, $300 is alot. I'd cancel a deal I had if I can get that much profit..haha. But really no one is going to offer extra $300 unless the seller lowballed his price.
 
Ok ok

Ok I apologise if I was upset and called it a scam- I was wrong-- there to all of you who have flamed me -i admit I maybe had the wrong terminolgy (look it up lah!!)

No money changed hands mainly because the seller reposted for bidding before I got to meet with him,but when you agree to a deal, normally it is the right thing to honour that deal. If most of you who have commented feel it's ok to back out of deals, I guess we can no longer rely on the integrity of this site or that any deal we make through soft will be honoured.
 
Well, if I were the seller, I wouldn't have hesitated to tell you off and to inform you in no uncertain terms that it is my perogative whether or not I wanted to sell the amp to you. You were hostile and antagonizing in your msg to the seller, and you gave no room for explanation, choosing instead to threaten the seller that you would "advise SOFT about the scam".

The seller may have been at fault to back out of a deal like this, but I'm sure a more amiable solution could have been worked out - ie. settling on a mutually agreeable price.

I'm not saying that the seller's innocent though, it was his fault that he failed to inform you that he wanted to get a better deal and went ahead with the posting of a 2nd ad.

Canon said:
No money changed hands mainly because the seller reposted for bidding before I got to meet with him,but when you agree to a deal, normally it is the right thing to honour that deal. If most of you who have commented feel it's ok to back out of deals, I guess we can no longer rely on the integrity of this site or that any deal we make through soft will be honoured.
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Please do not generalize because it makes you look immature yeah? YOU cannot rely on the integrity of this site, but WE can because the vast majority of us are still actively participating in buying and selling of equipment on this website.

It speaks volumes if you judge someone (or in this case, an entire forum of musicians) based on a single deal gone bad.

Take it as a lesson learnt, and move on in the knowledge that you've gained something from this bad experience, rather than dwelling on it and losing faith in the entire board.
 
anyway at least you highlighted that this gerald-wow is not a good dealer, and we should take precautions next time.
 
Both parties were at fault, but definitely MUCH more on canon

Canon: Please control your emotions and especially more important YOUR WORDS. Please be reasonable especially in these sort of deals. The product is not gerald-wow's and obviously not his decision to continue the bid. And no bloody transaction was made, so don't call this a scam. This is just a simple misunderstanding, there is a BIG difference between misunderstanding and scam.

gerald-wow: Maybe next time you should clarify things a little more especially considering this is NOT your product,but your brother's. Also, a little more patience is probably needed . In any case, because of u not clarifying certain things,u back out of the deal. U should give yourself room a little more, for example when you made a deal with canon, you should probably tell him like in 2 days or so,if no one bids higher than him, the deals on. You must use a little more logic especially considering amps are VERY important to a guitarist.

So in conclusion both of u have something to learn here
 
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tim098 said:
Velvetrevolver try not to be so stupid

If you are selling something for $200 then suddenly someone offers $500, don't tell me you will turn the $500 down.
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hi, who's being stupid here?

i dont know about u, but my integrity is worth more than $300, as one guy has pointed out above. but then again, makes me wonder who would wanna offer up to $300 higher than selling price, especially in the current economic downturn.
oh, great, that gives me a thought to ponder over tonight.

im pretty sure the potential buyer didnt offer $300 more. and wats amazing is when the TS suggested posting this incident on SOFT, gerald-wow can actually say "ok up to you"... that alone is disappointing to see, and goes to show that the seller is only keen on bigger bucks instead of his integrity, despite knowing that he will be flamed here.

just to share, since this thread is already opened.

mind you, i wouldnt be saying all this had it not been for a (almost) first-hand experience my bro had with this guy. so this gerald guy's selling something, and my bro wanted to deal. instead of compromising and meeting at a central location (my bro suggested city hall) he kept on insisting on somewhere near his area (amk i believe). though my bro has already suggested city hall (fair and square, no?) after few sms, with him disagreeing with the meet-up place, my bro then politely replied him that he'd rather back out now than come to a disagreement and argue over it. following which, he sent 2 sms within a minute. one read something like "why didnt u say u wan meet at city hall, i was there just now. u really shld have replied me faster..." and the next one was something like "ok, how bout toa payoh, only 3 stops away from town..." now now... very pushy ain't it? on my advice, my bro did not deal with him. his last sms was "maybe we see how on sunday"... by then my bro knew he was never gonna deal with gerald. so... sunday came and he didnt even bother to send a single sms. (somehow we expected it)

first things first, we were at a gathering. hence, the late replies from my bro. but heck its not a "you-sms-me-now-i-reply-u-3-hours-later" situation. at max, it must have been 15 or 20 mins later then my bro replied, which is, quite acceptable, no? secondly, so wat if the gerald fella "was at city hall just now?" my bro wasnt even keen on dealing that very day itself (cos we were at a gathering) thirdly, my bro has very politely declined to deal if both parties cant reach an agreement, after which he sent those 2 sms-es in a minute.

to conclude: and i thought my bro is the only one. now that the threadstarter has opened a thread on him, and with my bro's case in hand, (and there may be more out there) it goes to show wat kinda seller he is.
point proven. i've done the right thing, and that's to warn our other guys here.

cheers
 
wth? if your bro is buying the stuff, it's only natural for the buyer to meet at the seller's convienience. Dont tell me you want buy chicken rice you ask the chicken rice seller come to your house sell you? LOL
Unless you pay delivery charge? but was your bro willing to pay for that?
Then you said that "by then my bro knew he was never gonna deal with gerald". and that gerald didn't reply you back too. Isnt that like what it's called "Pot calling the kettle black?"
YOU know YOU wont make contact with him, Yet you blame it when HE dosent contact you?
AND isnt it also the buyer's obligation to contact the seller if he wants to purchase the thing?
In fact, i thing you're the one being pushy, with your bro keep on insisting at first to deal at city hall. take note, you're bro is the one interested in purchasing his good.

also, reguarding the "ok, how bout toa payoh, only 3 stops away from town..." now now... very pushy ain't it?" HOW IN THAT WAY IS THAT PUSHY? He's giving your bro a suggestion. Notice "HOW ABOUT?" Its not saying, NO I WaNT TOA PAYOH"

your bro also sent an sms saying "maybe we see how on sunday" implying that your bro will get back to him on sunday. you yourself admitted that your bro did not think that he will deal with gerald.... now that's stupid

and seriously, i think your're just saying you'll turn 300$ down for integrity . It's just something buying/selling, you won't lose your soul over that. Heck, i think you're just saying that to make yourself lookgood or whatnot.
 
velvetrevolver said:
after few sms, with him disagreeing with the meet-up place, my bro then politely replied him that he'd rather back out now than come to a disagreement and argue over it. following which, he sent 2 sms within a minute. one read something like "why didnt u say u wan meet at city hall, i was there just now. u really shld have replied me faster..." and the next one was something like "ok, how bout toa payoh, only 3 stops away from town..." now now... very pushy ain't it? on my advice, my bro did not deal with him. his last sms was "maybe we see how on sunday"...
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DONT BE lovelovelovelovelovelovelove STUPID AND READ WHAT I POSTED DAMN IT.


MY BRO HAS ALREADY POLITELY DECLINED TO DEAL IF HE CANT AGREE ON CITY HALL, CONSIDERING IT WAS "CENTRAL". AND CAME 2 SMS-ES IN A MINUTE, PORTRAYING HIS "PUSHY" ATTITUDE. I THINK MY BRO HAS DONE SUPERBLY WELL IN ASKING TO BACK OUT OF THE DEAL BEFORE THINGS TURN SOUR. SENSING THAT HE MIGHT JUST LOSE A POTENTIAL DEAL, HE GOT DESPERATE MAYBE AND SENT THOSE 2 SMS-ES.

SECONDLY,

MY BRO DID NOT SAY HE WOULD "SEE HOW ON SUNDAY" ... IT WAS THAT GERALD HIMSELF WHO SENT THAT VIA SMS... NOW, YOU'RE STUPID, AND SO IS YOUR POST..

MATE, I DONT HOLD IT AGAINST YOU IF YOU WANNA COME OUT HERE AND TRY TO FLAME SOMEONE TO TRY SCORE SOME POINTS FOR YOURSELF. BUT BEFORE YOU DO THAT.....

PLEASE.....

LEARN TO READ FOR (WHOEVER YOU BELIEVE IN)'S SAKE.

THANK YOU.
 
dj_tiesto said:
wth? If your bro is buying the stuff, it's only natural for the buyer to meet at the seller's convienience. Dont tell me you want buy chicken rice you ask the chicken rice seller come to your house sell you? Lol
unless you pay delivery charge? But was your bro willing to pay for that?
Then you said that "by then my bro knew he was never gonna deal with gerald". And that gerald didn't reply you back too. Isnt that like what it's called "pot calling the kettle black?"
you know you wont make contact with him, yet you blame it when he dosent contact you?
And isnt it also the buyer's obligation to contact the seller if he wants to purchase the thing?
In fact, i thing you're the one being pushy, with your bro keep on insisting at first to deal at city hall. Take note, you're bro is the one interested in purchasing his good.

Also, reguarding the "ok, how bout toa payoh, only 3 stops away from town..." now now... Very pushy ain't it?" how in that way is that pushy? He's giving your bro a suggestion. Notice "how about?" its not saying, no i want toa payoh"

your bro also sent an sms saying "maybe we see how on sunday" implying that your bro will get back to him on sunday. You yourself admitted that your bro did not think that he will deal with gerald.... Now that's stupid

and seriously, i think your're just saying you'll turn 300$ down for integrity . It's just something buying/selling, you won't lose your soul over that. Heck, i think you're just saying that to make yourself lookgood or whatnot.
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just to make sure you dont edit your post and try to turn the tables. . .

Sure, it may sound childish, but if you wanna flame me openly instead of sending me a pm to clarify (when all i tried to do was share an experience), i believe, at the very least. You should be responsible for your own words.

Cheers
 
err i don't see how is that pushy? offfering an alternative(toa payoh) to deal? pushy is more like forving you to deal? something like HEY COME ON JUST DEAL WITH ME NOW


AND let me quote something "on my advice, my bro did not deal with him. his last sms was "maybe we see how on sunday""

you said my bro did not deal with him. his last sms was "maybe we see how on sunday"
Naturally, most people will conclude that the "His' will refer to your bro, since it is a more given name and is the former, and is the one being stated first.
Example : Tom wanted to buy from him something. he then said " See how."

who do you think said see how? For most of us, it's Tom, cos he is the main subject. And would the "He", quite wierdly pop out and say "see how"?

Your english.... goodness gracious me. needs massive help
 
THIS THREAD IS POINTLESS. LOCK THREAD. DELETE.

DJ, not to go against you, but if u look at the date of the latest post before you typed yours, you would notice that it reads "24-04-09"

Today, is the end of may, "30-05-09"

This issue has been debated a few times, and just left it there like that. We chose to leave it there like that, as the main issue brought up by the TS had been resolved, and the TS, on a whim of fury, probably typed the whole thing out.

Where the both parties meet to buy/sell, is based on mutual understanding. Most people would prefer to meet somewhere more central for various reasons. It is easier to access and does not inconvenience both buyer and seller greatly.

Obviously, if you stayed in Punggol you would be more reluctant to travel all the way to Boon Lay just to buy something, especially since the train trip is nearly an hour or two easily. Hence, the central location, where it would not be too much of a hassle for both parties.

And before you start commenting on other's English. Stop slamming other people about their command on english. The main idea on the thread is on how the TS thought he was scammed by Gerald, not on the command of English.
Thus, I don't see why that you should be so offensive.
If, you prefer to be so anal about his command of English, what about yours?
Your posts have punctuation problems, spelling misteaks (purposely misspelt to bring about the point), a few grammar problems, etc.
So, to quote something you said earlier, this is a case of "Pot calling the kettle black".
 
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