Unconventional chords

[DoubleBlade]

As we all know ,

1 , 3 , 5 = Major chord

1 ,3b , 5 = Minor chord

1 , 3 , 5 , 7 = Major 7th chord

1 , 3 , 5 , 7b = 7th chord

1 , 3b , 5 ,7b = Minor 7th chord

1 , 3 ,5# = Augmented major chord

1 , 3 , 5b = Diminished major chord

and the list just keeps on going down....

What about chords like these?

1) 1 , 4 , 6 = ????

2) 1 , 3 , 5 , 6b = ???? (Supposed its possible eg. D7 with a flatted 6th perhaps?)

3) 1 , 2 , 5 ,6b = ???? ( Sus2 add flatted 6 perhaps?)

Anybody has come across other unconventional chords before?

If so list them down!

 

[teraslasch]

1 4 6? inversion? :lol: was wondering is there was Sus 4 add 6.

 

[bboy2388]

actually it really just depends on its functionality. for example, an E minor 7th chord could simply be a decorated E minor or a Cmajor7thadd9 omitting the root. So the main way of finding out what a chord is for is to see where it wants to move in your music, inspecting the chords on their own is really just an academic exercise.

 

[bboy2388]

this is an interesting topic, thanks for starting it.

 

[twerp]

!!

H#m13?

 

[DoubleBlade]

That's my whole point! I was trying to figure out what kinda chord is this , what kinda chord is that....Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

[hub37]

1 , 4 , 6 - c6 sus 4 ???

1 , 3 , 5 , 6b - c aug add5 ???

1 , 2 , 5 ,6b - c sus2 add6b ???

not sure what are the names of these chords.
I guess I never come across them

chordfind.com is a good site to check out chords, but I try the "reverse chord find" also don't have the 3 u listed

 

[DoubleBlade]

If this goes on , we'll probably have chords like Cmdim7add11sus2 / Eb chord :?

 

[piano_ex]

1) 1 , 4 , 6 = it'll be the 2nd inversion of chord IV

2) 1 , 3 , 5 , 6b = chord I with added flatted 6 (possible =) )

3) 1 , 2 , 5 ,6b = ( Sus2 add flatted 6 perhaps?) yups ... hahaha



actually, there is no rules already nowadays .... if u like the sound of the chords, then go ahead and use it .... if it's about naming it ... there is lots of way to name 1 chords ... =)

 

[bboy2388]

there's always a way to structurally analyze the chords you are using, but in most rock music the chords are just whatever. 1 4 6, for example C F A. can simply be an Fmajor, a C6sus2, or an Aminor6. It can also be a G7sus4add9 omitting the root, leaving it to the bass player, or a Dminor7 omitting the root, leaving it to the bass player. What matters is how you use it.

If the chord moves from this C F A to a clear G7 chord, and you are playing jazz style, chances are CFA is a D minor 7 without the root, because of the 2-5 movement in jazz. If you're not playing jazz, then it's probably an F major chord, and it looks like a rock/pop progression, because of the 4-5 (F to G major) movement. Notice, of course, that i'm thinking in C, this chord might work for other keys where CFA is diatonic (or not, i mean we could be talking about some random shit substitution). So the scope for examining chords is really super wide, and i think it really makes no sense to examine chords individually just to look at what kind of chords they can be, because it is much more practical to examine them on a case to case basis, based on functionality.

Also, you are discussing triads, which are really very flexible, supposing you were to further define your chord by adding 2 notes, so it becomes a 5 note chord. For example - F A C E G, its functionality would be more easily definable in a progression. But these 5 note chords are also quite flexible, hence it is possible to do something completely unexpected, and move one way even though the music seems to be moving another. Analysing chords by putting down 3 notes and scratching your head about it does awaken you to the possibilities of usage of such shapes though.

 

[RoRK]

Just play what's in your head - let your fingers do the work. Chords are a bore to learn. All you really need are what you have already laid out in your initial post.

Cheers
RoRK

 

[pf]

Usuage of Unconventional Chords?

Hi ppl,

how do you use the unconventional chords which was previously mentioned?

I read up on augmented chords and chanced upon this thread.

From my searches from websites, I basically gathered the following:
1) Augment the VI chord
2) Use augmented chord with a root a minor 3rd above the destination chord (e.g: C+ Am)
3) Use augmented chord a perfect 5th above or a perfect 4th below the destination chord (F#+ Bm)

http://www.guitartricks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5100

The destination chord seem to always be a minor chord from my observations. Is that correct?

And also anybody wanna share their usuage of unconventional chords?

 

[Gr3yF0x]

omg what the hell is going on! i feel so stupid reading this thread ):

 

[han2u]

haha. sounds like a sick version of calculus...more power to those who understand all this.

 

[visa]

wow xiao an your theory is really mindboggling x_x

 

[ikilledkenny!]

just play what's in your head - let your fingers do the work. Chords are a bore to learn. All you really need are what you have already laid out in your initial post.

Cheers
rork

+100000000000000

 

[theunknown]

what are u people talking about!?!? arhghhghghgh!!!!! where did C, D, G, A all these chords go to!

 

[empihsrow]

Wow, now, I find chord labeling as bad as genre labeling. LOL.

But wow, I do learn something from this.

 

[DoubleBlade]

From my searches from websites, I basically gathered the following:
1) Augment the VI chord
2) Use augmented chord with a root a minor 3rd above the destination chord
3) Use augmented chord a perfect 5th above or a perfect 4th below the destination chord

Basically an augmented triad chord is a normal triad chord (1,3,5) with the 5th note sharpened 1/2 a step up. Eg. Caug = C , E , G#

 

[billthegeek]

bboy2388 is damn pro sia... I think I need to re-read what you have just typed to get it into my head.