The Full Flight 2007

[tamadela]

i cant believe that raufi heights and autumn atlantic get in the finale.
how abt misissued?
how abt november iris?
20 dischanger.?
i think they should look more towards potential,tightness rather than votes.
they dont deserve it to be in the finale especially performing with plain sunset,leaven trait,rika,ATS.
these are huge bands.
and in order to make this finale a successful gig,u need good,potential,tight bands who can make it to the same standards as them.
this is my point.
they just get more votes,but tightness,soundwise,they're not up to the standards.
pure luck.
im sorry to say this.
if u want the local scene to improve,this is not the way.
look at missisued.
they've been around for 5-6 years.
one of the best kick ass punk rock bands around.
but sadly,the deserve much more then they get now.
id love to see them in baybeats.
they're really tight.
experienced.
november iris will be huge in the future.
Raufi heights and autumn atlantic,u guys are lucky.you're young,work on that sound,the tightness,and your showmanship was lacking.
i was there on the 30th alone.


on the 7th, was there alone again.
indus gendi,armchair critic,duxton plains.
the bands too look out for.

on the 12th.
u've gotta look out for 3 bands.
trella,silhouette and amateur takes control.
trella is like the younger caracal,mix love me butch,incubus you get silhouette and amateur takes control is to me one of the best post-tock.emo indie band in singapore.
these 3 bands will rock scape.
mark my words.
ive seen them a few times.

 

[visa]

on the 12th, watch out for Arrowhead, Postbox and Knightsfall too! ALL brilliant bands.

Really looking forward to ATC and Trella, heard so many wonderful things about them but never caught them live. =)

 

[BleedsNoMore]

i cant believe that raufi heights and autumn atlantic get in the finale.
how abt misissued?
how abt november iris?
20 dischanger.?
i think they should look more towards potential,tightness rather than votes.
they dont deserve it to be in the finale especially performing with plain sunset,leaven trait,rika,ATS.
these are huge bands.
and in order to make this finale a successful gig,u need good,potential,tight bands who can make it to the same standards as them.
this is my point.
they just get more votes,but tightness,soundwise,they're not up to the standards.
pure luck.
im sorry to say this.
if u want the local scene to improve,this is not the way.
look at missisued.
they've been around for 5-6 years.
one of the best kick ass punk rock bands around.
but sadly,the deserve much more then they get now.
id love to see them in baybeats.
they're really tight.
experienced.
november iris will be huge in the future.
Raufi heights and autumn atlantic,u guys are lucky.you're young,work on that sound,the tightness,and your showmanship was lacking.
i was there on the 30th alone.

PRECISELY dude.. precisely... i was thinking that missing the show wouldn't be much of a problem coz i'll see misissued and 20DC on the 29th.. well i was wrong.. no offence btw.. haiz..

 

[visa]

and there were some pretty awesome bands on the 7th too, The After Effects, Cigarette Sex, Bedroom Utensils!

 

[Freeflowclass]

i cant believe that raufi heights and autumn atlantic get in the finale.
how abt misissued?
how abt november iris?
20 dischanger.?
i think they should look more towards potential,tightness rather than votes.
they dont deserve it to be in the finale especially performing with plain sunset,leaven trait,rika,ATS.
these are huge bands.
and in order to make this finale a successful gig,u need good,potential,tight bands who can make it to the same standards as them.
this is my point.
they just get more votes,but tightness,soundwise,they're not up to the standards.
pure luck.
im sorry to say this.
if u want the local scene to improve,this is not the way.
look at missisued.
they've been around for 5-6 years.
one of the best kick ass punk rock bands around.
but sadly,the deserve much more then they get now.
id love to see them in baybeats.
they're really tight.
experienced.
november iris will be huge in the future.
Raufi heights and autumn atlantic,u guys are lucky.you're young,work on that sound,the tightness,and your showmanship was lacking.
i was there on the 30th alone.


on the 7th, was there alone again.
indus gendi,armchair critic,duxton plains.
the bands too look out for.

on the 12th.
u've gotta look out for 3 bands.
trella,silhouette and amateur takes control.
trella is like the younger caracal,mix love me butch,incubus you get silhouette and amateur takes control is to me one of the best post-tock.emo indie band in singapore.
these 3 bands will rock scape.
mark my words.
ive seen them a few times.

well if newer younger bands dont manage to get the exposure they need how are they going to improve? older bands such as the ones you've mentioned already have been through alot, and if they really are amazing, then why aren't they playing baybeats? nor why are they not popular enough to have gotten votes?

apparently my belief of changing the scene to a better place is by supporting whoever gets in, and for those who didnt, get them more gigs to make them more well known. not by siding whoever has been out longer or better cos they';re older.

you have a good idea of how the scene works and you prolly have been in the scene longer than i have. I dont mean to offend you but again, its just my 2cents.

 

[estherix]

i think they should look more towards potential,tightness rather than votes.
and in order to make this finale a successful gig,u need good,potential,tight bands who can make it to the same standards as them.
this is my point.
if u want the local scene to improve,this is not the way.

I kinda agree with this point. It's kinda the same concept as competitions like Singapore Idol. If say Joakim Gomez instead of Hady Mirza won Singapore Idol and went on to represent Singapore in Asian Idol, Singapore is definitely going to lose face.

We have to remind ourselves that people who go to gigs these days are not only avid supporters of local music anymore. There are also many people who are exposing themselves to local music for the first time. So if we display a substandard show to them, i must say it's not exactly the best ways to gain more support for the local scene. The underground music scene will forever stay this way. Underground, unknown.

I agree that there must be some form of standard to be maintained in local shows these days so that people in Singapore will not have a bad impression of local musicians if exposed for the first time.

 

[RudyScarface]

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how abt november iris?
november iris will be huge in the future.

to be honest, we were bumped out that we didnt get into the finals. that final show consists of hard hitting huge bands that worked really hard to get where they are now. would have been an honor to share the stage with them but haha oh well..

hey dude, thanks alot for saying what you did about us, we're flattered and deeply grateful for your words.

thanks.

 

[visa]

There are two issues here- the issue of incompetence, and different people's standards.

It is everybody's mutual responsibility to stamp out incompetence. Incompetent bands and organizers lead to bad shows, and bad shows hurt the scene- because one bad show can give a hundred people a bad impression of the scene, which will spread through word of mouth and other means.

"Oh, local music? I went to a gig before and it was terrible." So on and so forth.

It's up to the organizers to give a firm no to incompetent bands who want to play.

It's equally up to bands to judge themselves (and get others to judge them as well) whether they're ready to play before the public.

It's up to us not to support incompetent organizers or bands. Together, as a collective scene, we can make a difference.

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Now that's over and done with, can you honestly say that the organizers or the bands performing at Full Flight were incompetent? I think not! It was an amazing show, very well put together, very smoothly run. The bands all were prepared and entertaining.

To say that Raufi Heights and Autumn Atlantic DIDN'T deserve to get through, or that it was pure luck? They might not be up to your standards maybe, but everybody have different standards! Personally, I enjoyed myself during their sets, and the rest of the crowd did as well. Isn't that what ultimately counts? I enjoyed myself during 20DC too, and almost every other band that played.

Besides, if XYZ band fans are upset that XYZ didn't get through, who do they have to blame but themselves for not gathering enough people to vote? Getting votes and having a crowd at your show is not luck, it's hard, honest work. Having a strong fanbase is what separates bands of equal calibre.

Spare a thought for the organizer, too! If they chose the bands themselves, they would get accused of favouritism, whoever they pick.

I am confident that Raufi Heights and Autumn Atlantic will put up killer sets at the Finale show. I am also confident that bands like The November Iris, 20 Dischanger, Valentine's Letter will go very far as well. And I bet that they'd congratulate Raufi Heights and Autumn Atlantic for making it.

Personally I think the Full Flight is wonderful for the scene and I support it wholeheartedly. See you guys on Wednesday the 12th!

My 2 cents!
Visa

 

[visa]

Some people argue that "Oh, but XYZ band is really good, really tight, really amazing, just not popular as ABC band".

Popular bands play big stages. If you want to play a big stage, you'll have to find a way to get popular. It's as simple as that.

Check out the bands on our biggest stages! Caracal, The Fire Fight, Great Spy Experiment. They're all tight as hell! But what REALLY gets them on the big stages?

It's their pop sensibility, and their ability to entertain and build rapport with the crowd.

Think about it! It's common sense that gets easily overlooked.

Cheers
Visa

 

[Dess]

"I am confident that Raufi Heights and Autumn Atlantic will put up killer sets at the Finale show. I am also confident that bands like The November Iris, 20 Dischanger, Valentine's Letter will go very far as well. And I bet that they'd congratulate Raufi Heights and Autumn Atlantic for making it."

Visa is a hero, yeah. Raufi Heights is new but they're good. Valentine's Letter will be there for you guys! Chill man.

 

[zahiron]

to be honest, we were bumped out that we didnt get into the finals.

dey! BUMMED OUT LA! what bump????????????

 

[RudyScarface]

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dey! BUMMED OUT LA! what bump????????????

..... you're gonna pay for correcting me...

 

[Azryan]

Hey,
I'm bassist of Raufi Heights, and representing on behalf of Autumn Atlantic.
And I just heard that someone's not happy that we're in the Finale.


I would like to apologise cause we really not UP to your standard.
I'm really sorry..
But, I thank people like Desmond[VL], Visa[AC] and Naomi who did backed us up in this forum for telling them something about us.
Seriously,
I'm sorry that the choice of your band didn't make it.
I know that we are really really new to the music industry.
But, we really did work hard to struggle our way through.
I know that the bands played in Full Flight : Reservation are all really really awesome.
No doubt about that, I feel the same way too.
But, it's crowd choice, not ours.
We didn't make the decisions.


To you, we are new, and some people think that new bands,
Doesn't have the standard to impress the crowds.
And I tell you, it isn't about the standard or the popularity of the new band,
It's about the quality of that the new band brings.


Soo, let me end this.
If you don't like us, Raufi Heights or Autumn Atlantic.
It's okay..
Cause, we have people who do believe in what we are doing eventhough we're new.
And to people who really believe in us both.
We promise you guys, deep in us, to give you guys the best show we ever played.


Thanks for your opinion though.
Much appreciated!


Azryan [RH]

 

[Ender]

Hey,
I'm bassist of Raufi Heights, and representing on behalf of Autumn Atlantic.
And I just heard that someone's not happy that we're in the Finale.


I would like to apologise cause we really not UP to your standard.
I'm really sorry..
But, I thank people like Desmond[VL], Visa[AC] and Naomi who did backed us up in this forum for telling them something about us.
Seriously,
I'm sorry that the choice of your band didn't make it.
I know that we are really really new to the music industry.
But, we really did work hard to struggle our way through.
I know that the bands played in Full Flight : Reservation are all really really awesome.
No doubt about that, I feel the same way too.
But, it's crowd choice, not ours.
We didn't make the decisions.


To you, we are new, and some people think that new bands,
Doesn't have the standard to impress the crowds.
And I tell you, it isn't about the standard or the popularity of the new band,
It's about the quality of that the new band brings.


Soo, let me end this.
If you don't like us, Raufi Heights or Autumn Atlantic.
It's okay..
Cause, we have people who do believe in what we are doing eventhough we're new.
And to people who really believe in us both.
We promise you guys, deep in us, to give you guys the best show we ever played.


Thanks for your opinion though.
Much appreciated!


Azryan [RH]

Kudos to you for that.

 

[Freeflowclass]

i believe in RH that you guys will definitely get somewhere.

see you wednesday!

 

[tamadela]

its just my point of view.
the local scene now is different
caracal wasnt that popular when they first start out.
they played in small gigs.
they were'nt that good/tight.
from playing in small gigs,u learn from the experience.
from there,you improve the band,and slowly,they'll become better.
caracal is one example.
look at them now.
fantastic.
zoukout,baybeats,rock for wayne.
they've been there.
they are entertainers..
a vacant affair went through the same route too.
u get what im trying too say.
RH and AA must be honoured to play with plain sunset,rika,ATS,leaven trait.
its a whole learning process here.
some of u might disagree or agree.
how do young,fresh bands get the nod,the experience,the path to become a better band,the exposure.
it is by working our ass off.
learn from the old.
always be humble.
music is a life long learning process.
work on the tightness.
practice practice practice.
a band doesnt need to dress to play.
its not a fashion contest.
its music.
its what the audience see in the music,the band.
to cut it short,just ask caracal.
thats it.
and they're young mind you.

ive seen RH and AA on 30th.
ive got nothing against them.
they're pretty decent kids.
but i want them to take this as a lesson learnt.
eventhough u've performed with huge bands,take it as a learning experience.
do not boast too your friends/people saying that u've performed with this band and that band or else you'll lose it.
u guys have pretty long way to go.

im sorry if i ever hurt these guys in any way.
its just my opinion.
a huge gig = huge bands = huge crowd = huge responds = fulfilling investments = huge success.
all the best to them.
there will be scouts in every gigs.
they might approach the band who have the potential and invite them to other gigs.
take note.

 

[Azryan]

Is doesn't matter if the band are new and they get to perform with huge band.
It gives us the opportunity to experience it earlier.
We don't always have to look at bands like Caracal or AVA went through.
Every band have different perspective in what they are doing and gone through.
Time has changed.
And hey!
You don't have to always get huge bands to play alongside huge bands.
Small/New bands can really make a difference.


And, I might agree that to you that, new bands, have not much talent, exposure and sorts.
Maybe cause maybe our type of plays really, and i mean, really doesn't suits you.
If you're there on 30th of Nov and doesn't enjoy our sets.
Well, we're sorry.
But, alot of people do really enjoyed it.
There's been bodysurfing and moshing going around during our set.
Means, they enjoyed it as much as we do.


And don't get fashion to involve in these.
Cause seriously, we wore the same attire is because, we trying to be different from others.
Would you want all people to wear black tops and black bottoms in every gig?
But, DID we ever said we are fashionable and that crowds should love us?
We didn't.
We're there to play music.
And yes, we're played it.


And about,
"do not boast too your friends/people saying that u've performed with this band and that band or else you'll lose it."
We don't really talk about the bands that are playing on that day.
Our aim is to play on the 29th, and to enjoy it and have fun.
You might asked everyone about it, and we said nothing about who we're performing with.
It really doesn't matter!
We had ourselves to play on 29th and people to entertain to.


Hope you get what i mean.
Cause we're here to play music.
Though we're young/new, we still can make it happen.
Sorry if we doesn't really impress you....



Azryan [RH]
(PS: Please don't look down on new bands.)

 

[Freeflowclass]

you dont have to go through what other bands have gone thru just to be big because as azry has mentioned, every band has a different way of expanding. I dont believe in comparing with other bands based on how your success rate of being more known in the scene is shown.

and sure, dressing up might not be a priority or a need but at some point you HAVE to agree that dressing up gives the band more of an identity, not just for themselves, but also for others.

apparently your general statement about how bands should not boast about success, im sorry but i do not agree with what you say as its directed to them. they didnt boast, and they have the right to be joyous over how they got in. They deserved it because of the hardwork and effort they did put in. They are young and yet got in, which just shows they DO have potential.

you somehow have made it sound as if they actually did something wrong, but i am assuming and regarding this as a biased opinion. i know im not the only one who can tell, but perhaps im the few who actually mentioned this. You might be more supportive of the older bands due to what theyve been thru, but hey, come on the older bands have gone thru that too.

again, assumption is what im deriving from this. this doesnt hit me personally but both bands are my friends and as people they deserved to be respected and not to be judged on how their personality without bringing their music in and bringing them down. you might know them personally, yes no. but apparently not well enough to what kind of people they are to judge on how they treat their music.

 

[emo_notdead]

Among all the commotion that's happening in this thread, the PSR Team would like to take this opportunity to highlight that one of our organizational mission is to further elevate the status of the local music scene at the same time helping new and also upcoming local and bands by providing them with the platform to showcase their talents.

Anyway we are please to announce the results of last week show.
www.playstoprewind.com

Do come down to the Full Flight: Security Check this Wednesday 12th December @ *Scape Youth Centre: The Lab. Here is the complete line-up for that day (not in order of timeslot).

Trella
Telephony Delivery
Knightsfall
Silhouette
Postbox
The Oslo Castaways
Arrowhead
Shyla
Amateur Takes Control
Sunset Boulevard

P.s. Thanks everyone for supporting the shows. Hope to see you all again on Wednesday.

 

[Azryan]

Thanks Naomi for the explanation.
Much appreciated.
=D

You're my Heroin.
XD


Azryan [RH]