The end of composers?

[Cheez]

First, they developed ultra-reaslism samples to replace real players - so you only need one person at the PC with a keyboard and do away with other instrumentalists.

Then they developed ultra-realistic vocal samples with word building capability - so you can do away with real singers and choirs.

Now... they come with THIS to do away with composers. What will happen next?

http://www.sonymediasoftware.com/products/showproduct.asp?pid=1013

 

[Guest]

wad does it do?

 

[Cheez]

Click on the link to find out.

Basically, in a few clicks, the software composes for you the music. The music generated will depend on the genre you select, how long you want it to go for etc.

Check out the tutorial links and the demos links on the webpage.

All I can say is: I'm appalled! It's not as good and creative as real composers of course, but things like these in the hands of some people means making composers losing their jobs.

And the software is not expensive either!

 

[bongman]

throughout the industrial modernization,
robots have taken away many of human jobs.

now the computer revolution has taken away the musician jobs *sigh*

 

[Guest]

i clicked the link.

i read until confused :?

 

[Cheez]

Hi chester, just click on the tutorial link on the site and play the tutorials to see exactly how they do it.

A very sad day for composers.

 

[mingguan]

Hm...
I can say that the concept is simple.
it is quite good for those student for film project or some low cost film.
But if really use it for movie, really need to develop further.

But it really a simple but good idea.
I think there will be a market for this software.

I wondering,
if more and more people using it,
when we watch movie or TV, always listening the same tune,
sure will very sian..

 

[reyrey]

of course not,the machine wont affect any composer,its creativity that counts anyway...

 

[teraslasch]

wad the?... ....crap software man.. how can they do that!

 

[Cheez]

I think it will affect composers. In film and larger works, maybe not. But for small projects like jingles, TV series etc, you can easily pull off something quick and simple on the budget that is of fairly acceptable quality since the end-product of the software is a wav file. The worse thing is that you don't even need to know music to operate it.

And I don't think it's always the same tune. The software should have sufficient variations, and I'm not surprise if they come up with patches or updates on their sample database.

Even in TV series, I can still spot a number of shows (not necessary Singapore, some Taiwan and some China) using Symphonc Adventures sample library. It's basically cut and paste stuff of a recorded orcehestra - they only have to loop them, cut and paste etc. I grimmace everytime I hear a sample from that library - so overused but STILL being used even today! No creativity. Just shortcut method of getting music out. I can foresee this Cinescore software is going to make it worse. It's already happening...

 

[teraslasch]

dang.. THEY ARE GONNA TAKE AWAY MY FUTURE JOB.. down to the idiot that made this software.. he ought to be shot at.. hang.. and ripped into pieces! :evil:

 

[thor666]

I don't think the software will be a relevation and a bane to composers that much. It probably will raise the bar higher though. Creativity will be increasingly emphasised for a composer to stand out from the rest.

 

[Cheez]

For the sake of discussion - how many people are using loops for their composition, using Ableton Live to cut and paste, using Band in a Box to help them write melodies, using sampling grooveboxes to build their core groove, backing tracks etc.

And how many actually compose from scratch - melody, harmony, rhythm (not those build in ones of course), counterpoint etc?

When loops first came out, I knew it's going to be a slippery slope. No longer one needs to come up with basic arrangement skills. One can still argue that loops can be "creatively used". Still, it is destroying creativity slowly - this progression into a "virtual composer" appears to be a natural progression of things down that slope. Today loops, tomorrow virtual composers.

I never used loops. Until recently, I realised that I'm living in the past. So I am in a way "forced" to purchase a loop library to learn and see if I can intergrate compositional skills and loops into one.

 

[thor666]

I don't know if copy-paste on Guitar Pro counts as looping.

But anyway I usually try to write from melody up. By humming until I remember the melody by heart. For me, that's the best way to write a solid song - a song with a solid melody can't stray too far wrong. And I try to avoid any form of tool (guitar, software, instrument) during this process until its finished. I tend to find tools to spoil the initial songwriting process.

I've no qualms about copy-paste though - to me that's the arrangement part, and depends how the song evolves.

 

[tomhet]

and soon everything will be more modernised. and people will be more dependant on softwares like this which requires shorter time spent and less workload than living, breathing musicians. nothing beats passion though. as so i choose to believe. bleargh im blabbering. -back to lvl 7 tauren warrior-

 

[bongman]

so we go on singing... bye bye Miss American pie

 

[lppier]

Oh man, I clicked on some demos and i must say they are quite good.
However, I don't think there will be too big a variation of the melody for a certain "theme". I don't see how they can identify how a certain motif souunds good and repeat it.

I don't want computer generated music everywhere

Pier.

 

[gutturalpiss]

another sign..of computers & robots taking ova the world! woohoo make love to a robot

 

[bongman]

maybe someone can build toy women to replace the real ones...

 

[mingguan]

hm...
I don't think it is the person who come out with this software make composer lose job. But the composer who composed those theme/variation make other composer lose job.

.. THEY ARE GONNA TAKE AWAY MY FUTURE JOB.. down

Another new job opportunity for you leh...
Go join them lah... :lol:


Anyway,
softsample also make musician lose job.
But, is the person who come out with the idea of softsample make musician lose job?
Or the Musician who play for the sampling, making OTHER musician lose job?