The Acoustic Sound Of The Electric Guitar; why it is of pivotal importance

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This is a GREAT post from Terry McInturff in TGP

The Acoustic Sound Of The Electric Guitar; why it is of pivotal importance - The Gear Page

Well worth reading.

Hello all,

Much of my own delight in perusing the various threads here at this outstanding forum involves discussions regarding the latest electric guitar hardware...bridges, tailpieces, pickups, tuning machines, finishes, etc....

I have learned quite a bit about such things here, as I am sure that many of you readers have as well.

I would like to address a very pivotal and primary aspect of the sound of the electric guitar...one which I feel may get far less attention than it deserves...the unamplified, strictly acoustical sound of an electric guitar...and why it is of real importance.

I shall limit my "lecture" a bit in order to (hopefully) generate questions in the Socratic style; therefor, it will be encumbant upon the readers to make this thread a success, by means of some of you asking good questions that I can help develop into a true understanding of the subject-at-hand.

1) The acoustical nature of any electric guitar imposes firm boundaries/limits upon what can ever be heard thru the speaker cabinet.

The acoustic/unplugged sound of any electric guitar will reveal the limits of it's amplified tonal capabilities.

Let us imagine the acoustic sound of an electric guitar as being the fence that surrounds a baseball park; there is a bit of space surrounded by a hard boundary.

The "fence" represents the limits of what the acoustical nature of the given guitar can produce, tonally; the space surrounded by the "fence" is the place within which we can influence the tone via hardware, pickups, strings and the like;

We can "steer" the amplified tone this way and that way via hardware, string, and pickup choices...but only within the boundaries of the "fence".

We cannot efficiently boost any frequencies that do not reside (with any strength) in the acoustical nature of the guitar.(It is true that via various types of electronic trickery an extended harmonic series can be generated...I am talking about the basic, organic tones here).

This may be why we often end up "chasing our tail" when it comes to trying to mod a guitar to our liking; all too often, what we want to hear is something that does not reside in the acoustical nature of the instrument, and therefor cannot be had by any means.

2) Recognising/hearing the acoustic nature of an electric guitar.

In contrast to, say, a D-28 or any other wholly acoustic guitar, the tonal qualities of an electric guitar (the "ballpark"...remember?) are not so immediately apparent. Obviously, an acoustic guitar is designed to "speak" by means of it's loud acoustic nature..."what you hear is what you get".

This is no less important in the case of an electric guitar, but it is harder to hear and thus to judge it's acoustic "voice".

Because the amplitude of the unplugged electric guitar is weak, we must consider how to listen to it, in order to best judge it's potential.

a. Be sure that new strings are installed on the guitar. We need all of the help that we can get!

b. Take the guitar into a small, resonant room...a smallish bathroom can be perfect...and play the guitar. The room will act amplify the sound..and the sound of the room has to be taken into account...but any small, reflective space will help.

c. While playing, ocassionally press your ear against the side of the guitar. This will not be an accurrate representation of the sound, but it will give you extra information regarding the low mids and bottom. Remember that these lower tones have the least amplitude (thats why your Strat sounds so "stringy" when you strum it casually...you are hearing the higher frequencies the easiest). It is hard for the string energy to move that solidbody to any loud register in those lower frequencies...but they are there..

d. Invite a learned friend to listen too.

e. Take the guitar into your oft-used living areas, and play it unplugged there as well. Your brain has become very used to the acoustics of those areas (TV room?) and thus these are good areas to listen for "good tone".

That is enough for now.

Suggested Topics for further discussion include (but are not limited to)...

1. What attributes am I listening for?
2. Why does the acoustic tone affect what I hear out of my amp?
3. If the acoustic tone is so important, why then should I care, if my sound is built from wholly electronic means, ie, massive amp gain, signal processing, and the like?
4. If the acoustic sound is so important, why am I getting such a different tone from my new pickups/bridge/tailpiece/etc?
5. What about the role of chambers in a semi-hollow electric?

I will be happy to address these questions...should questions like them actually arise.

But the main aim is to get you all talking about these things among yourselves, every bit as aiming Q's at me.

I am not aware that this topic has ever been adressed in print, anywhere, to any great degree...I may well be wrong.

Get talking..I'll be around.
Your friend Terry

Of course, questions addressed to him have to be posted on TGP lah... You post here he also dunno...:mrgreen:
 
hmmm this post is really really helpful.
i dunno but somehow the acoustic sound of my electric guitar is somehow strange.
i'm not certain is it due to setting up problems...

oh for starters..my current elect guit is a yamaha aes 420.
its raw sound is somewhat weak, and it always have this unwanted twang to it.

even its unplugged sound has this very stringy stringy sound....

was wondering if you had any advice for me.
 
hmmm this post is really really helpful.
i dunno but somehow the acoustic sound of my electric guitar is somehow strange.
i'm not certain is it due to setting up problems...

oh for starters..my current elect guit is a yamaha aes 420.
its raw sound is somewhat weak, and it always have this unwanted twang to it.

even its unplugged sound has this very stringy stringy sound....

was wondering if you had any advice for me.

That stringy stringy sound is due to the STRINGS lah... To test the guitar, hold your guitar body to the ear and tap on it...

Your guitar, from the way you put it, could sound like it's mainly the strings generating the tone from whacking the frets. This could translate to a rather trebly tone. (which can be nice) You don't want this twang?

Anyways, if you want something warmer, perhaps a pickup change can alter this for you...

I dunno man... I'm not a luthier...
 
There was an interesting clip I once saw on Youtube where Carl Verheyen talked about how he ran the racks for resonant Strats ... by holding the bottom edge of each Strat and then plucking the "B" string. The stronger the vibration, the more resonant the Strat.
 
I always test electrics unplugged first before pluggin in..If the unplugged sound isn't good I wont want it. After all how the strings vibrate depends much on the guitar itself
 
I always test electrics unplugged first before pluggin in..If the unplugged sound isn't good I wont want it. After all how the strings vibrate depends much on the guitar itself

But if you continue reading the thread on TGP, you'll find that having a loud acoustic sound from the electric isn't what you should be looking for in the first place. It's what is defined as "good" that matters, and it's not the string sound from the electric...
 
But if you continue reading the thread on TGP, you'll find that having a loud acoustic sound from the electric isn't what you should be looking for in the first place. It's what is defined as "good" that matters, and it's not the string sound from the electric...
I agree that how a guitar sounds acoustically defines certain "potentials". But I believe it varies from the different guitar types.

If you take a strat/fat strat, what he says probably applies. I myself listen to an electric guitar's "G" chord above all else, cos this can really tell you lotsa things, from the bass sounds, to the mids and highs...

Just do this little experiment, strum once through and listen carefully to the chord. Which sound is predominant tells you which sounds you'll potentially hear ringing non-stop when heard clean on your amp. (Then again, this depends on the pick-ups... I mean, if your pick ups are mid-rich, while your guitar is all about screaming highs... then well, maybe that sorta evens out...) Personally I pay attention to how the mids sounds, whether they attain mid-rich sounds acoustically. If they do acoustically, but not through the amp, means I need a new change of pick-ups.
 
of all the guitars i've bought and had...
i have never ever plugged in any of them into an amp.

i just play them unplugged and see how they feel...
perhaps thats one of the main reasons i've never went for ibanez...and prefered nice mahogany guitars...
the SZ520 tho is pretty tempting, and previously the ibanez ghostrider from the 90s which was the first and only ibanez i liked for awhile...
 
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