string gauge and neck relief

[shioks76]

I have a guitar set up with 9s. If i wan to detune my guitar a whole step and still have a playable guitar. Should i put gauge 10 or 11. This of course without adjusting truss rod or intonation. As its a temporary thing for a single song.

Thanks guys need to know by about sun morning.

 

[PatheinRaindropMoe]

without trying first, its hard to gauge seriously. Furthermore, we migh not be sure of what guitar, what sorta brigde, how the neck react etc. Kinda hard to have a confirmed or even accurate answer?

and even if we know all the info above, its still hard to give an absolute gauge....

anyway, imho the rest

tuning down whole step, even with 10 or 11 gauge set(.46 for low e as guide). The strings seem flabby to me(cud be different to others), its ok if able to live with it i guess.

The intonation will most prolly go off, re adjustment shud be done, but then if able to live with a slight deviation or cant hear anything really off, prolly can leave it as it is

and since the force of truss rod agains the pull of the strings be different as well, the neck will response in different way, perhaps there be some more frett rattling/buzzing from the strings. It might, might not.

Instrument, kinda personal, some can accept slight imperfection, some cannot. But if its our own, we can make sure what we need, by trying out and playing around.

imho

 

[shioks76]

Thanks for the quick reply. Im actually using fixed bridge guit with tom. Its actually a parker p42.Will be using 2 guitars for the set. 1 for just this song, would be playing mostly rhythm at the first 7 frets so hopefully the off intonation won't affect it too much.

The other guitar would be covering the rest of the set.

 

[PatheinRaindropMoe]

actually it seem a bit rush, but if able to restring tonight, play/adjust a bit of the geetar, perhaps still got time to find out how it will fare, for the songs you be playing .

heh, provided got extra set of strings to try, if not, pardon what i said

 

[Hydrofly]

This is a little rushed, if you want to jump from 9s to 10s or 11s, you definitely needs to re setup.

 

[kym]

Hi, I have a question on intonation.

i checked out the fender website and found some great guide on adjusting of trust rod, bridge, intonation, pup heights and so on. It was rather information with measurements and figures to help you along. But when I checked some other websites, they give different measurements to things like pup height, string height and so on. With differing opinion, it can be quite confusing for new players like myself.

How then to discern which one is correct? Is such things like intonation very subjective and more of individual preference, or there really is an absolute guideline for it?

 

[PatheinRaindropMoe]

those infos are prolly all correct and can be used as a guide, imho. Pick one of it at a time, follow the method. Try on the instrument, play play for couple of weeks, monitor the response of the guitar when playing and see if theres any problems.

if comfy with it, can stick with it or if wanna see if theres any problem, bring to guitar tech(some of those the bros bros here intro/mention ones) and have them take a look, check if theres any problem while being there to ask questions and learn from them, if its possible.

intonation is not a subjective opinion. Its a characteristic of the guitar and can be adjusted to be as closed as possible to ideal(but not exactly). heh, iaint goot in explaning this, its a physic thing with the design of the guitar. If you wanna noe more, gotta google round for intonation article. Some product from brand like buzz feiten, earvana etc, manufacture compensated nuts to help guitarer get even closer to perfect intonation as they claim. If interested, just hope over to their sites and look see look see.

 

[kym]

u said somethine about intonation is like a physic things with the design of the guitar. hmmm, now that means that different guitar with different designs or different number of frets will needa slightly different set up at the saddles, nut, pup height, blablabla.

 

[kym]

oh, i give u an example of why simple things like setup or string changing can be rather confusing to newbie like myself.

one school of thought said that strings should be changed one at a time to counteract the tension of the trustrod. while some say just heck lah, change all at the same time. so which one should i follow? or does it really matter?

 

[EugeneSmasher]

I think using 10s won't really require a set-up if its temporary, since you'll be using D standard, right? The lower tuning (hence lower tension) should counter the higher tension of the strings. Thing about hardtail bridges is that they're very flexible. Can really do a lot of things without problems) Count yourself lucky to not be using a tremolo!

But don't go any higher than 10s or it'll screw up your guitar neck.

 

[PatheinRaindropMoe]

oh, i give u an example of why simple things like setup or string changing can be rather confusing to newbie like myself.

one school of thought said that strings should be changed one at a time to counteract the tension of the trustrod. while some say just heck lah, change all at the same time. so which one should i follow? or does it really matter?

hehe, that makes thing fun as well, while confusing..

removing one by one or removing all?

just for myself, i do both.

If removing one by one, its because iam lazy and just wanna change a new set of strings

If removing all, its because i wanna shower tender loving care to my geetar. I will clean up my fretboard, polish my fretwire and oil my rosewood board etc

and the above might change when dealing with geetars using different bridge. For my licensed floyd rose trem equip geetar, i try to change strings one by one. (not that i change strings on that geetar much as well, perhaps 1 year 1 time... iam a lazy bastard and i dont like those trem nor use much of it. So i dont bother to polish or oil the damned thing either)

with guitars having fixed bridge, i changed the strings one by one at times and removed all at times as well.

Again, it aint fixed, it depends on what i wanna do.

We have to give more credit to the thrust rod in our geetar neck. Its not as weak in the sense when all strings are removed, it will cause problem or warping in a short while or heavier gauge will destory it. A good setup will take care of it

u said somethine about intonation is like a physic things with the design of the guitar. hmmm, now that means that different guitar with different designs or different number of frets will needa slightly different set up at the saddles, nut, pup height, blablabla.

yup, different geetars with different scale length, string gauge, pickup type will need its own adjustment for maximum playability.

Anyway, with the amount of info you can find, just stick to one first, do already then see how it goes. Theres no other way then reading some of it and doing much more to find out whether it works or not

worst come to worst, come out with money, look for guitar tech(search round for some of them mentioned in the forums) pay them, and have them setup the geetar while learning from them some infos to do your own setup.