Scales, scales, scales

flashjack

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Hi there all...

i was going thru soft and there was a website chordscale.com and found it really helpful. i only know about the major/minor and pentatonics scales.

ok my question is that...

1) is it enough to know just those scales in order to do a gd solo?

2) i realise there are other scales like
-major( ionian )
-dorian
-phrygian
-lydian
-mixolydian
-minor (aeolian)
-locrian
-blues
-hormonic minor
-melodic minor
-diminished
-whole tone

can anyone tell me about these scales and when can it be used?
 
hello!
Well, people have been telling me since very long ago that the few scales you would need to know would be the harmonic minor, melodic minor, Major, Natural minor, and well your arpeggios as well.

you see, those various modes[ Dorian, Lydian, Mixolydian...... ] can all actually be formed out of the major scale. Its rather how you phrase your notes to make it sound like a particular kind of mode/scale. For example, Joe Satrani - Flying in a blue dream, that song would describe the Lydian mode very well.

I think its important to know how all the various scales sound like.
For example, a good example of someone who uses the harmonic minor would be Malmsteen.
Mixolydian is very dominant in blues/jazz blues, the blues scale is also very widely used in blues. haha.

Hmm, usage wise, it'll be something like this.

Cmaj - C Ionian ( C D E F G A B C)
Dmin - D Dorian ( D E F G A B C D)
Emin - E Phyrgian ( E F G A B C D E)
Fmaj - F Lydian ( F G A B C D E F )
G7 - G Mixolydian( G A B C D E F G)
Amin - A Aeolian (A B C D E F G A) <-- your natural minor as well
Bhalfdim - B Locrian (B C D E F G A B C)

Technically its playing those set of notes over the chords, it'll be good if you can emphasize on the chord tones as well to give it a more outlined kind of feel. Oh and the chord that your playing over is very important as well, for example if you were to play Cmaj and use the A Aeolian scale, you'll get a certain feeling. And if you were to play Amin and use the A Aeolian scale, you'll get a different feeling so on so forth..

Do correct me if i made any mistake (: i'm still learning!

Hope this helps somehow! (:
 
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if you use that type of progressions and using the modes, there is no color in your playing

there are no flat notes or sharps..
 
if you use that type of progressions and using the modes, there is no color in your playing

there are no flat notes or sharps..

erm true, but in my opinion, if you can highlight the chordtones + the few notes (or note) that makes it different then you'll get a certain color. for example. erm, Fmaj7 - emphazing on the F A B C E will give u a lydian sound, especially the B, its all about the phrasing for me. Its diatonic & you'll get a lydian sound out of it. haha. my opinion only though (:

I.E The Famj 7 Arpeggio with an added B

E -------------------------12-
B ---------------10-12-13----
G ----------9-10-------------
D ---7-9-10------------------
A -8-------------------------
E ---------------------------

The notes are all from the Cmaj scale but yet (IMO) it gives off a certain color, in this case the lydian color (: haha
 
hey man, the website is great but i dont know how to use the information?
For example, the black and red dots? what do they mean? is there any sequence to how i should press the notes? or is the diagram showing the every note that is played in the particular scale? please help. i would really like to learn more.
 
hey man, the website is great but i dont know how to use the information?
For example, the black and red dots? what do they mean? is there any sequence to how i should press the notes? or is the diagram showing the every note that is played in the particular scale? please help. i would really like to learn more.

Hello!

The red dots are the chordtones
For example,for the chord C maj, the C E G are in red, the rest of the black dots are the other notes in the scale.
 
oh okay.. then is there like a sequence that i shud use to press the other notes on the fretboard? or i could just go in any order i prefer? the notes..they're everywhere! hahx.. and thks karlie!
 
oh okay.. then is there like a sequence that i shud use to press the other notes on the fretboard? or i could just go in any order i prefer? the notes..they're everywhere! hahx.. and thks karlie!

haha yes in any order you like, but take note of the red notes, it's good to start the solo on the red notes and end of the red notes, it'll make the solo more tasteful (:
 
Hey, i'm currently only started off guitar scales but have no one to teach so i'm quite confused.

Same as TS, i've started on pentatonic scales, now i'm very puzzled coz in that chordscale.com website, by checking that "chord" thing, additional notes appeared in the scale. Could any one kind enough to explain in details how do i actually use pentatonic scale? also in Minor pentatonic drop down list there's a

1 b3 4 5 b7 . Anyone could tell me whats that?

thanks alot for helping me out.
 
DarkGitar

When you check the 'Chord' box, it shows you all the notes that make up that particular chord, i.e. if you select 'C Major' all the red dots that you see light up are members of the C Major chord. The reason it allows you to have chords checked is so you can superimpose those patterns over a particular scale to see which notes coincide - useful in chord-tone soloing approaches.

When you see something like '1 b3 4 5 b7', this is called the 'spelling' of the chord. For example, a major chord is spelled '1 3 5', i.e. the first, third and fifth notes of the C Major scale, therefore C, E, G.

Application of a Minor Pentatonic scale - there are a whole bunch of ways to use it. Two ways that spring immediately to mind are:

1) Over a Minor chord, e.g. E Minor, you can play an E minor pentatonic scale
2) Over a 12 bar blues progression A7, D7, E7 (go search the web for one) you can interchange A major pent and A minor pent for different 'effects'.
 
Firstly, learn all the major scales perfectly.

There are 12, but you only need to learn half of them. And they can be grouped - i'll show you what i mean:

1) C major - all natural

2) G, D and A major - memorise the sharps

3) E and B major - memorise the naturals (the others are # e.g. E major = E A and B natural; everything else is a sharp).

The other scales can be learned with the above scales as a mental guide.

I'll explain below.


Db major isnt as scary as it sounds. Think of it as with D major scale. D major scale = 2 #'s: F# and C#. For Db major, the two sharps of D become the two naturals of Db; all others are b, as it is a flat key. So the two naturals in Db are F and C (other notes are b). So, for the 'D' scales (Db and D), just remember F and C.

E major = two naturals (E and B). Eb major - the naturals of E major become the b's of Eb major (and the others are natural).


This may sound a little complex, since i'm writing it quickly here, but it is one of the easiest ways i have found of teaching students on how to learn the major scales from memory.

This should come first before all other theory.

PS i'm assuming you know the major scale interval formula? This is where the notes from the major scales come from. There is a fixed pattern that yields the notes for each scale (the same pattern for each scale).

ALL other scales/modes can be learned relative to the major scales (e.g. lydian = major scale with a #4 etc etc) - you don't have to learn a full new interval formula for each new scale/mode.

Unfortunately many 'theory' books still try to teach the interval formula for each scale (i'm sure the ABRSM uses the 'whole-half' interval formula approach when teaching the minor scale, instead of saying 'flatten the 3rd, 5th, and 6th degrees of the major scale.) All the information is correct in these books, but what is wrong is the way in which they encourage you to approach the theory, mentally. Hence you have probably had problems with the books you are trying to learn from.

You should quote specific examples of what you are tyrying to learn (and from specific books, if possible) - this would be easier than saying you are trying to learn 'theory'.

One final thing - you should call this kind of thing 'harmony', rather than 'theory', as we are dealing with the harmonic nature of music here (e.g. how notes relate to each other). 'Theory' could be learning the meaning of 'sprechgesang' 'ostinato', etc etc (think boring lessons at school - this is theory ;) )
 
Sorry - i forgot F major scale in the scale groupings.

Here is the rule: F major scale = one b, Bb.

So F# major scale = one natural, B natural (others are #).
 
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