Recommend a low power tube amp for home practice.
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may be the behringer AC108?it's 15 watt btw...
MadWereWolfBoy said:
It's just you. Tube amps get their sweet sound when they are cranked; its really the power tubes that give tube amps their beautiful tone. The pre amp adds a shaping of the tone before it reaches the power amp stage. Even hybrid amps with pre amp tubes have a power amp circuit designed to emulate the natural sag of a tube power amp stage. a good tube amp is a WORLD of difference from ANY "normal" solid state amp. The vast majority of recording and performing guitarists use tube amps. If they sounded so mediocre, why would they spend so much money / time / effort / maintaining tube amps?
The only problem with tube amps is that even if you were to get a 5watt tube amp with a good sound, it will still cost at least 3 to 5 times more than a decent 15watt transistor amp.
Larger power tube amps does not cost proportionally more, thus 100watts tube amps are at the best value you can get for a tube amp. Only thing is that this power is only good for performance or studio use.
Again, there is more chemistry than you can imagine inside an amp, be it components or design. Premium components and a well engineered design can lead to magical tonal sounds. Thus you have ledgendary circuit designs which were born 50 years back, still being replicated to the last detail today. And these sounds are still common on new recordings industry wide. You'd be surprised what goes on to create that favourite albums you are listening too.
Lamentation on the fact that gone are the days, even studio recording and effects machines are almost totally tube based. Some of these recordings made the the 70's and before sound so full, you'd wonder why we had to invent the transistor. Just one reason, cost efficiency.
Larger power tube amps does not cost proportionally more, thus 100watts tube amps are at the best value you can get for a tube amp. Only thing is that this power is only good for performance or studio use.
Again, there is more chemistry than you can imagine inside an amp, be it components or design. Premium components and a well engineered design can lead to magical tonal sounds. Thus you have ledgendary circuit designs which were born 50 years back, still being replicated to the last detail today. And these sounds are still common on new recordings industry wide. You'd be surprised what goes on to create that favourite albums you are listening too.
Lamentation on the fact that gone are the days, even studio recording and effects machines are almost totally tube based. Some of these recordings made the the 70's and before sound so full, you'd wonder why we had to invent the transistor. Just one reason, cost efficiency.
MadWereWolfBoy said:
You are right, but that's not the full picture of a tube amp. A pre-amp part of tube is just a very small part in making what we called "Tube amp" sound. It's just that, A pre-amp stage only.
You must read on to understand, every single components in the chain plays an important part to get the tube sound, even the output transformer is just as or more important than other components.
It's very difficult to explain without technical understanding.
1) Yes it's expensive to maintain, like a car you must know when it's crying for a service and send it to an experienced tubeamp man ( :wink: like me)
2) If you are just talking about amp with just one pre-amp tube. Yes, little difference in sound quality. But between a good transistor amp and a good full tube amp, a world of difference. (Please do not mistake, transistor amps can produce very good sounds or even better sound for quite a number of type of modern music)
3) There are practise class tube amps too, just not as popular due to cost. Attenuators are for people who wants to play at home, so they have to pay the extra mileage running on the treadmill.
End of day, if you are playing "Hey Joe" by jimi hendrix for 10yrs, and you have perfected the playing style, guitar & effects combination. You just cannot get that particular tone you are looking for. The quest for perfection will lead you to get a full tube amp.
Price for perfection. Humans will pay.
Stillborn said:empty71 said:
ya thx, got ur sms..., but out of my budget...tot it would be ard $900-1k, judging from the US prices....
You must understand that shipping a tube amp in will cost about US$100-300, Add 5% gst tax.
Then as a dealer, he is covering you some form of warranty too, not to his advantage if the amp is faulty upon arrival, as there will be another 2way shipping cost add on (eg US$200-500). A heavy risk to take.
People always do a "BLIND" price comparison on musician's friend or music123. But never factor in every single costing.
That's why you must respect your local dealer, even if he got monoply and bad sales attitude.
http://zvexamps.com/
I believe there is a dealer in Singapore (www.fierce.com.sg)and you would still need a cab
I believe there is a dealer in Singapore (www.fierce.com.sg)and you would still need a cab
Malcolm, how did you ship in the Reverend products? Such as the amp? Courier service or freight forwarder?
hmm... I am not an expert on amps, but I will share with you guys my knowledge... I'm a Logistics & Operations student... haha
I don't think that Stillborn's estimation was unrealistic... Was reasonable, imo...
Mikemann, the failure rate for tube amps are quite low... There are procedures that amp manufacturers can practice to lower the failure rates of their products ie burn-in at manufacturer's site etc... Dealers should discuss quality management with the companies they are with...
Remember that the logistics and supply chain industry is much bigger than a decade ago (we have more ships, planes, trucks around in the world). The traditional "bulk shipment" is no longer practiced by many companies these days. You may enjoy the lower transportation cost, but the other costs such as inventory holding costs can be greater than the discount you enjoyed (cost trade-off).
Ultimately, it boils down to customers' needs and wants, only the fittest will survive. With such high prices, it would certainly be a challenge for Malcolm to sell these tube amps...
hmm... I am not an expert on amps, but I will share with you guys my knowledge... I'm a Logistics & Operations student... haha
I don't think that Stillborn's estimation was unrealistic... Was reasonable, imo...
Mikemann, the failure rate for tube amps are quite low... There are procedures that amp manufacturers can practice to lower the failure rates of their products ie burn-in at manufacturer's site etc... Dealers should discuss quality management with the companies they are with...
Remember that the logistics and supply chain industry is much bigger than a decade ago (we have more ships, planes, trucks around in the world). The traditional "bulk shipment" is no longer practiced by many companies these days. You may enjoy the lower transportation cost, but the other costs such as inventory holding costs can be greater than the discount you enjoyed (cost trade-off).
Ultimately, it boils down to customers' needs and wants, only the fittest will survive. With such high prices, it would certainly be a challenge for Malcolm to sell these tube amps...
jumbofret said:
Yes failure rate is low, but it's still there. Imagine you ship in 10 items, and 1 item is faulty within lets say 1 month of sale. This failure will wipe off the profits of about 3 items. How would you feel?? dealer Bang balls.
So if the price markup is very low, imagine 1 failure could wipe out profit value of 10 items. How would you feel then?? dealer Super bang balls.
Being a dealer means, you allows the potential buyer to physically view & try out the item. It takes away the 'gamble' value on the consumer end. And giving some warranty coverage, the consumer is even covered to what the terms & conditions covered.
So if you ship in the item yourself, you pay US$100-300 shipping on a combo amp, and you plug it in. Smoke bellows from the rear, then no sound. You face the following reality: You paid in full for a dead amp in front of you, plus shipping. Do you 1) ship it back (and pay 2way shipping)and claim from manufacturer, 2) get it fixed locally at your own expense, 3) chuck the amp away........... consumer Ultimate bang balls
I see your point, mikemann. But it's a monolithic point of view, regarding the amp business...
I wish Malcolm (or any tube amp dealers) would work with you on the issue of amps! I believe that would lower cost of failure (no need to ship back to manufacturer, identify the problem and see if it can be corrected here)... (Refers to your post in www.mtlutherie.com thread :wink: ) Such a collaboration would definitely be welcomed by most of us
I wish Malcolm (or any tube amp dealers) would work with you on the issue of amps! I believe that would lower cost of failure (no need to ship back to manufacturer, identify the problem and see if it can be corrected here)... (Refers to your post in www.mtlutherie.com thread :wink: ) Such a collaboration would definitely be welcomed by most of us
hullabalooeeks
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wahha that emry sound looks cool
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