3notesAbar
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UFOs are real!
Of Behringers and An Unnamed Music Store
- Thread starter Evangion
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rottenramone
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Word to ya motha.
Word to ya motha.
Evangion
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stars said:
HE was away for reservist.
If I were to discredit the shop, I would name it openly. But the fact that I wrote down my experience was to warn people against buying Behringer products from a parallel importer.
I told the shop a week after buying the unit that I was not satisfied with it and wanted either a refund or replacement. I was then told that if it was working then they would not refund nor replace it.
rottenramone
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I'm O to da fothermuckin' G
I'm O to da fothermuckin' G
wangdexian
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Thrilla, THRILLER NIGHT!!!
thor666
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Evangion said:
That's not right. It may be their policy, but it definitely isn't a product in satisfactory condition.
Consider bringing it to the Small Claims Tribunal. It IS a hassle - but if you want your refund, that's what you gotta go through.
(Or you could read the statute I pointed to on the first page and speak legal mumbo jumbo to them in the hope of not going through the hassle.)
psychoacoustics
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Shops remove serial numbers so the manufacturer cannot trace it to the distributor who supplied to the parallel importer.
If traced, the distributor who supplies to the parallel importer will lose their distribution rights and the supply will stop. So they cover each others back,..
"Okay Boss, I supply but you remove serial number ok"
Some manufacurers also supply to other unauthorized resellers on a project basis,
thats also another loophole. Look up the website of the manufacturers and contact their distributors.
Also cover yourself by calling the distributor in your country and ask if company ABC is their authorized reseller.
Please always inquire with your shops on warranty issues. If servicing is not available, they should not be selling it because its meant for re-export. If they insist on selling products that dont belong here, then they must indicate. The distributor who supplies the parallel importer does not care of warranty issues becase he does not deal with the end user.
Support your authorized agents. Even stuff bought from overseas will not be serviced here. Can be done, but at a higher price.
If traced, the distributor who supplies to the parallel importer will lose their distribution rights and the supply will stop. So they cover each others back,..
"Okay Boss, I supply but you remove serial number ok"
Some manufacurers also supply to other unauthorized resellers on a project basis,
thats also another loophole. Look up the website of the manufacturers and contact their distributors.
Also cover yourself by calling the distributor in your country and ask if company ABC is their authorized reseller.
Please always inquire with your shops on warranty issues. If servicing is not available, they should not be selling it because its meant for re-export. If they insist on selling products that dont belong here, then they must indicate. The distributor who supplies the parallel importer does not care of warranty issues becase he does not deal with the end user.
Support your authorized agents. Even stuff bought from overseas will not be serviced here. Can be done, but at a higher price.
Paperback
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eh u oso come here wan ah san bor?
don't mind me saying this... but i think the TS is right not to name the store PUBLICALLY. note the caps.
(a) Defamatory in Nature
21.7.5 A statement is defamatory in nature if it lowers the plaintiff in the estimation of right-thinking members of society or causes him or her to be shunned or avoided. This is based on the objective reasonable man test. The judge determines whether the test is satisfied in a particular case upon hearing the evidence adduced at the trial. There are no jury trials in Singapore.
and
(b) Reference to Plaintiff
21.7.7 The plaintiff must show that the third party would reasonably understand the defamatory words to refer to the former. The intention of the defendant to defame the plaintiff is not a prerequisite. Thus, the defamation action may still succeed notwithstanding that the defendant did not intend to refer to the plaintiff, but to some other person or even a fictitious character bearing the same name.
So even if the TS doesn't mean to defame the shop, he/she can still be guilty of libel.
But then again....
Defences: (a) Justification
21.7.11 The plaintiff is not required to prove that the defamatory statement is false. Instead, the defendant may establish the defence of justification by proving that the defamatory statement is true in substance and in fact. Where the allegedly defamatory statement is a comment, both the facts on which the comment is based and the comment itself must be substantiated. Similarly, where an innuendo is pleaded, both the statement and the innuendo have to be justified. Particulars of the statement(s) of fact and the true facts relied upon by the defendant must be pleaded (Order 78 Rule 3(2), Rules of Court). The defendant is not required to substantiate every charge so long as the unsubstantiated charges do not materially injure the plaintiff’s reputation (see section 8 of the Defamation Act). The defence of justification normally constitutes a complete defence against the plaintiff’s claims.
So... i leave it up to you guys to decide whether or not TS is doing the right thing by not posting the shop's name.
(a) Defamatory in Nature
21.7.5 A statement is defamatory in nature if it lowers the plaintiff in the estimation of right-thinking members of society or causes him or her to be shunned or avoided. This is based on the objective reasonable man test. The judge determines whether the test is satisfied in a particular case upon hearing the evidence adduced at the trial. There are no jury trials in Singapore.
and
(b) Reference to Plaintiff
21.7.7 The plaintiff must show that the third party would reasonably understand the defamatory words to refer to the former. The intention of the defendant to defame the plaintiff is not a prerequisite. Thus, the defamation action may still succeed notwithstanding that the defendant did not intend to refer to the plaintiff, but to some other person or even a fictitious character bearing the same name.
So even if the TS doesn't mean to defame the shop, he/she can still be guilty of libel.
But then again....
Defences: (a) Justification
21.7.11 The plaintiff is not required to prove that the defamatory statement is false. Instead, the defendant may establish the defence of justification by proving that the defamatory statement is true in substance and in fact. Where the allegedly defamatory statement is a comment, both the facts on which the comment is based and the comment itself must be substantiated. Similarly, where an innuendo is pleaded, both the statement and the innuendo have to be justified. Particulars of the statement(s) of fact and the true facts relied upon by the defendant must be pleaded (Order 78 Rule 3(2), Rules of Court). The defendant is not required to substantiate every charge so long as the unsubstantiated charges do not materially injure the plaintiff’s reputation (see section 8 of the Defamation Act). The defence of justification normally constitutes a complete defence against the plaintiff’s claims.
So... i leave it up to you guys to decide whether or not TS is doing the right thing by not posting the shop's name.
bluesmonkey
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lol @ Behringer. I had a wah pedal, belonged in the bin.
this is weird
Hi all, i know this might be a little late but, I went to this shop, they told me that the Behringer products that have the serial number cut off from the box are actually fake, they have been copied and produced. They sell a few dollars cheaper then the original ones. If i am not wrong, i saw a warning label on the behringer website once.
Hi all, i know this might be a little late but, I went to this shop, they told me that the Behringer products that have the serial number cut off from the box are actually fake, they have been copied and produced. They sell a few dollars cheaper then the original ones. If i am not wrong, i saw a warning label on the behringer website once.
I bought a lot of behringer stuff, so far has never really been dissapponted by them. It depends on what you buy. Usually I read reviews on the products before buying. Sure there are alot of crappy stuff that you read about, but there are also great products by them too. Anyway, this also applies on other brands too.
velvetrevolver
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why'd u dig this up? lol...
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