vickomaniac
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speech level singing.
Not suitable to sing at all
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ANDY82
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hm..
well im not good in speech thing also when it come to englsih
for you i thing you might need to open your mouth wide
heres a example of me in alously speech song i wrote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqP8WPwtsus
well im not good in speech thing also when it come to englsih
for you i thing you might need to open your mouth wide
heres a example of me in alously speech song i wrote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqP8WPwtsus
jianrong
Member
Thanks, i think i would like to keep the negative comments in here rather than over another thread.
Nasty videos below
Eason Chan - 好久不见 (up 3 keys)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYFfevLUGi8
A Mei - 解脱 (updated version so you might want listen again)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjuzm0QCon8
Comment by zilchster81
The truth hurts, and I hope people don't kill me for my opinion.
Jie Tuo is OMG!
You are straining your voice. You sound more like talking than singing. You sound as though you are shouting.
You sound like a drunk.
I think you should work on Hao Jiu Bu Jian. At least you don't strain your voice. Though it can be monotonous and a little boring but still you don't have the scare factor.
Comment by LobinHoot
I think its not that he cant sing, its his style of singing that is the problem. He sings it like its a hardrock song which somewhat kills it. And the dynamics are also lacking somewhat. Each note he sings it forcefully out. Maybe you wanna analyze how the orginal singer does it....
p/s: actually you sound like trying sing an xjapan song instead of amei song
Comment by btherl
It sounds to me like what is causing the strain is just too much air and too much weight. Did Daniel teach you the "lip trill" or "bubble" exercise? If you can do that, it's very effective both for limiting air and reducing weight.
I can go into more detail if you want.
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WELL...some advice. if u wanna load up sound samples of yr singing.that is if u are serious. invest in a entry level usb mic condensor./etc to load songs into com. use vocal-less tracks and try singing at home instead of ktv lounge. ktv isnt a great place to practise vocals. something abt their equipments/ environment pickups. and pls dun sit down while singing.it's a big no-no. i've spent years trying to find a voice which is most unique to me and constantly try to re-invent it/morph it in a way that best represents me. and so far. i think i have somewhat succeeded. all without guidence. i meant if u are 'smart' musically. u will have self-discovery and manage to have a breakthrough. as for me.i'm currently still also trying to re-invent/improve my sound. if u/or anyone are interested to hear my sound./band covers. do pm me.i willing to share too. i loaded em all in mediafire.
kai desu.
kai desu.
btherl
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Ok, you asked for more detail 
Here is the basic problem:
Once you start to squeeze your throat to sing, you enter a vicious cycle. Increasing volume and pitch requires you to squeeze harder. But that requires pushing more air. And pushing more air also requires squeezing harder to hold it back. Very soon you reach your physical limits, and you can't sing any louder or higher. Not only that, but all that squeezing and pushing makes your voice sound bad.
So to deal with that, you need to start by releasing all that tension. At the same time you need to teach the tiny muscles inside your larynx to connect on their own, without squeezing your throat. Those tiny muscles only need a tiny amount of air to work - any more and they'll just blow open. Or more likely, your throat will squeeze to compensate and you're back in the vicious cycle again.
The lip trills work by doing several things
- Blow too much air and your lips won't bubble
- Your lips absorb a bit of pressure. This means you can blow a bit too much air, but still connect your vocal cords without squeezing your throat.
- It doesn't feel like singing, so you can let go of some of your bad habits
- Excess tension in your face and mouth will also interfere with bubbling, so it forces you to relax there too.
Anyway, did Daniel get you to do the lip trills? If they don't work, there's still other things that might. Lip trills alone aren't enough for me to release (my bad habits are BAD)
Here is the basic problem:Once you start to squeeze your throat to sing, you enter a vicious cycle. Increasing volume and pitch requires you to squeeze harder. But that requires pushing more air. And pushing more air also requires squeezing harder to hold it back. Very soon you reach your physical limits, and you can't sing any louder or higher. Not only that, but all that squeezing and pushing makes your voice sound bad.
So to deal with that, you need to start by releasing all that tension. At the same time you need to teach the tiny muscles inside your larynx to connect on their own, without squeezing your throat. Those tiny muscles only need a tiny amount of air to work - any more and they'll just blow open. Or more likely, your throat will squeeze to compensate and you're back in the vicious cycle again.
The lip trills work by doing several things
- Blow too much air and your lips won't bubble
- Your lips absorb a bit of pressure. This means you can blow a bit too much air, but still connect your vocal cords without squeezing your throat.
- It doesn't feel like singing, so you can let go of some of your bad habits
- Excess tension in your face and mouth will also interfere with bubbling, so it forces you to relax there too.
Anyway, did Daniel get you to do the lip trills? If they don't work, there's still other things that might. Lip trills alone aren't enough for me to release (my bad habits are BAD)
jianrong
Member
=GlypH
Well, with a normal mic & headset. Used to record it with minus 1 track in adobe audition program. Sample of songs at page 1 post 10 on this thread.
The hard part of my singing is dictions & strain voice being lock inside instead of projecting out. Which i am quite sure vocal feeling will be better once rectify. Staccato is part of style i think for some songs have those staccato parts. Like Chen Wei Lian song Wo Zhi Shi Xiang Yao. Abit of staccato.
=btherl
Yah, alittle of that but mostly he taught before was going with mum mum mum, nay nay nay, no no no, goo goo goo...
Well, with a normal mic & headset. Used to record it with minus 1 track in adobe audition program. Sample of songs at page 1 post 10 on this thread.
The hard part of my singing is dictions & strain voice being lock inside instead of projecting out. Which i am quite sure vocal feeling will be better once rectify. Staccato is part of style i think for some songs have those staccato parts. Like Chen Wei Lian song Wo Zhi Shi Xiang Yao. Abit of staccato.
=btherl
Yah, alittle of that but mostly he taught before was going with mum mum mum, nay nay nay, no no no, goo goo goo...
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Chenglehung
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If you can get your staccato off, i think your singing will improve tremendously
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btherl
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Ok.. he didn't do much lip rolls with me either. But I noticed that Seth's book (Singing for the stars) treats lip rolls as an essential exercise.
If he told you you were wasting your money, then I'm guessing that he wasn't able to achieve anything in your lessons, is that right?
Anyway I agree with chenglehung, you must get rid of the staccato. You can add it back in later. The general rule is that you should learn technique first and only then add style, and staccato is style.
A very light staccato is actually a very useful training method. It allows your vocal cords to adjust more easily between pitches. But not a heavy staccato.
i dun want to sound nasty, but sometimes the truth hurts. you said it yourself hor lol..
i've never had formal lessons on music coz well, my voice developed early(natural singer i guess), so i dunno the technincal terms, except vibrato, falsetto, staccato which i just learned from reading this thread -.- so i have to say that im an amateur. i do wish i had a mike to record my voice with -.- but never mind that
i listened to your yu tian and then to the original. its not that you cant sing, anyone who isnt tone deaf or impaired in any other way can sing, or trained to sing. some people were born singing, but then you shouldnt compare yourself to them right?
your voice can be worked on of course. from an amateur's point of view i feel that your voice lacks emotion and strength. its too plain. and i think your pronounciation sounds funny, if you dun mind me saying so...
learn good techniques before adding style, like what bthrel said. listen to cds, songs, sing along, try to imitate, and you'll learn techniques by themselves. develop a good, steady and strong vibrato. add STRENGTH into your voice(dun strain your throat). breath through your diaphragm so you get lots of air. before you sing, drink water. no diary products, no milk no coffee no moo at all. and pick a good song to sing. work on pronounciation too. and pick the right songs to do. your voice very deep, try josh groban de you raise me up lol.
i've never had formal lessons on music coz well, my voice developed early(natural singer i guess), so i dunno the technincal terms, except vibrato, falsetto, staccato which i just learned from reading this thread -.- so i have to say that im an amateur. i do wish i had a mike to record my voice with -.- but never mind that
i listened to your yu tian and then to the original. its not that you cant sing, anyone who isnt tone deaf or impaired in any other way can sing, or trained to sing. some people were born singing, but then you shouldnt compare yourself to them right?
your voice can be worked on of course. from an amateur's point of view i feel that your voice lacks emotion and strength. its too plain. and i think your pronounciation sounds funny, if you dun mind me saying so...
learn good techniques before adding style, like what bthrel said. listen to cds, songs, sing along, try to imitate, and you'll learn techniques by themselves. develop a good, steady and strong vibrato. add STRENGTH into your voice(dun strain your throat). breath through your diaphragm so you get lots of air. before you sing, drink water. no diary products, no milk no coffee no moo at all. and pick a good song to sing. work on pronounciation too. and pick the right songs to do. your voice very deep, try josh groban de you raise me up lol.
jianrong
Member
Haha ya,
Thanks alot for giving me some confidence. Actually, i would rate myself 3 out of 10 in my singing. Daniel Singh once told me my baritone suit song from Josh Groban but not Richard Marx. One of the guy who heard me in ktv singing said i should try song from Jam Xiao too. Heard myself before, some of the low range sound like Jam Xiao. But Jam Xiao vocal range and power more stable, strong and wide. LOL.
I don't really sing Jacky Cheung song but i thought i would give it a try.
心碎了无痕
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNHn-QKqUMU
Thanks alot for giving me some confidence. Actually, i would rate myself 3 out of 10 in my singing. Daniel Singh once told me my baritone suit song from Josh Groban but not Richard Marx. One of the guy who heard me in ktv singing said i should try song from Jam Xiao too. Heard myself before, some of the low range sound like Jam Xiao. But Jam Xiao vocal range and power more stable, strong and wide. LOL.
I don't really sing Jacky Cheung song but i thought i would give it a try.
心碎了无痕
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNHn-QKqUMU
zilchster81
New member
OMG! You are really deluded! 3 out of 10 is still very high.
jianrong
Member
a judge from singing audition give me 5/10 before. But that was another song. Not the jacky cheung song.
And I didn't give myself 3/10 based on that jacky cheung song.
btherl
New member
I talked to Daniel Singh just yesterday, and he said that he's heard about this thread, and he explained to me what had happened from his point of view.
So he told me he has only ever suggested to 2 people that they stop taking lessons from him. And in both cases, it's not because there was any problem with their voice or ability to sing, it was for other reasons. Jianrong I sent you a PM with details.
So he told me he has only ever suggested to 2 people that they stop taking lessons from him. And in both cases, it's not because there was any problem with their voice or ability to sing, it was for other reasons. Jianrong I sent you a PM with details.
