Need Advice on Dedicated DAW setup
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blueprintstudios
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ah trust me , you won't regret it heheh.
what I usually do is lets say a band's project tracks total up to 8 gigabyte.
lets call this band... "Band" folder.
I create folders
(for example)
D:\Band\DVD01\Drums,guitars
D:\Band\DVD02\Band\Bass,vocals
averaging 4 gig per "DVDXX" folder, because DVD can store 4.3gb +/- (4480mb+/-)
i create a text file with the following contents :
dir/s/b >> C:\dvdlist.txt
and save it as "filelist.bat" so then I put a copy of filelist.bat in DVD01 and DVD02 , then I run them each time , you'll see a dvdlist.txt in your C:\ , I copy out and open another notepad saving as "Master file list.txt"
so Master filelist goes :
@DVD01 (I type this out myself. so i can just "CTRL-F" and find each DVD easily)
contents of file list in DVD01 ... etc
etc
etc.
@DVD02 (and so on.)
so yeah it takes a few zebra permanent markers and a good backup habit to do this. but you'll secure yourself. I collect those "100 DVDrs stack box" and write on them label. "Softwares/drivers/audio etc"
hope this isn't too confusing.
anyway back to the topic, a friend just called me and told me simlim no longer sells windows xp pro (out of stock). so something tells me that bad news all of the newbies are forced to use vista..
30cents worth.
what I usually do is lets say a band's project tracks total up to 8 gigabyte.
lets call this band... "Band" folder.
I create folders
(for example)
D:\Band\DVD01\Drums,guitars
D:\Band\DVD02\Band\Bass,vocals
averaging 4 gig per "DVDXX" folder, because DVD can store 4.3gb +/- (4480mb+/-)
i create a text file with the following contents :
dir/s/b >> C:\dvdlist.txt
and save it as "filelist.bat" so then I put a copy of filelist.bat in DVD01 and DVD02 , then I run them each time , you'll see a dvdlist.txt in your C:\ , I copy out and open another notepad saving as "Master file list.txt"
so Master filelist goes :
@DVD01 (I type this out myself. so i can just "CTRL-F" and find each DVD easily)
contents of file list in DVD01 ... etc
etc
etc.
@DVD02 (and so on.)
so yeah it takes a few zebra permanent markers and a good backup habit to do this. but you'll secure yourself. I collect those "100 DVDrs stack box" and write on them label. "Softwares/drivers/audio etc"
hope this isn't too confusing.
anyway back to the topic, a friend just called me and told me simlim no longer sells windows xp pro (out of stock). so something tells me that bad news all of the newbies are forced to use vista..
30cents worth.
ya... when talks about back-up, I don't expect a harddrive will last forever. Thus from what I read, it is better to have at least 3 backup of your digital files.
One is on your local drive, one on external drive, one on DVD-R/ CD-R, and keep one copy (harddrive OR DVD/CD) off site.
well, you guys might be right. maybe I spend my money on the one-touch harddrive just to buy the "convenience". :lol:
how much is the XP Pro costs? Anybody got the info?
One is on your local drive, one on external drive, one on DVD-R/ CD-R, and keep one copy (harddrive OR DVD/CD) off site.
well, you guys might be right. maybe I spend my money on the one-touch harddrive just to buy the "convenience". :lol:
how much is the XP Pro costs? Anybody got the info?
blueprintstudios
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I bought my XP Pro SP2 at $215 last year.
I guess now should be cheaper... since Windows Vista has out...
blueprintstudios
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now vista is out , it could already have disappeared.
gutturalpiss
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oops i rmmbrd incorrectly. thanks for clarifying cheez..i think i mixed up the office licensing with the OS. Sorry kai :lol:
anyway cheez is right, especially for a daw, u would want to stay away from Vista for a while. In terms of audio production, there is not much/any significant benefit(s) so that adds a demerit to Vista now. XP will not phase out so fast, its just the hype of Vista that is getting to retailers..Go to 4th, 5th & 6th floors of SLS. Try (by priority) Fuwell, Bell Systems, Bizgram, Active Foto or Cybermind. If they're not carrying the OSs, they can tell you where to get.
Get an OEM Home version for $123-$130, or professional for $198-$209. Both were available in Active Foto some days ago. I myself have been using OEM since i dont mind the trade-offs as they are insignificant to me. I hardware-play alot so my data most of the time are in external drives or media. As for a DAW, i cant see what harm an OEM version of an OS could do. Read: http://www.tek-tips.com/faqs.cfm?fid=4004
Normal, retail version of Media Center Edition is available for $159, although the last piece may have been sold already. Dont use this for DAW.
Backup? I have had bad experiences with optical discs; CDs, DVDs, RWs, Rs. But if u do have to backup, Mitsubishi or Verbatim are the brands for u (Verbatim is a Mitsubishi subsidiary anyway). There are also some brands that are made specially for backup, but cost atleast 1 dollar more per disc. Data servers and busines entities would normally rely on their scsi drives, which cost a comet for us normal peeps. Drives nowadays barely fail, altho i myself cant be 100% sure of that. So like mentioned, for VERY important data, always have multiple sources of backup.
anyway cheez is right, especially for a daw, u would want to stay away from Vista for a while. In terms of audio production, there is not much/any significant benefit(s) so that adds a demerit to Vista now. XP will not phase out so fast, its just the hype of Vista that is getting to retailers..Go to 4th, 5th & 6th floors of SLS. Try (by priority) Fuwell, Bell Systems, Bizgram, Active Foto or Cybermind. If they're not carrying the OSs, they can tell you where to get.
Get an OEM Home version for $123-$130, or professional for $198-$209. Both were available in Active Foto some days ago. I myself have been using OEM since i dont mind the trade-offs as they are insignificant to me. I hardware-play alot so my data most of the time are in external drives or media. As for a DAW, i cant see what harm an OEM version of an OS could do. Read: http://www.tek-tips.com/faqs.cfm?fid=4004
Normal, retail version of Media Center Edition is available for $159, although the last piece may have been sold already. Dont use this for DAW.
Backup? I have had bad experiences with optical discs; CDs, DVDs, RWs, Rs. But if u do have to backup, Mitsubishi or Verbatim are the brands for u (Verbatim is a Mitsubishi subsidiary anyway). There are also some brands that are made specially for backup, but cost atleast 1 dollar more per disc. Data servers and busines entities would normally rely on their scsi drives, which cost a comet for us normal peeps. Drives nowadays barely fail, altho i myself cant be 100% sure of that. So like mentioned, for VERY important data, always have multiple sources of backup.
Cheez
Moderator
The only downside is that you if you upgrade your PC, the OEM version license cannot be trasnfered. The box version, however, lets you transfer the license if you change your PC (by simply giving microsoft a call).
But if one is going to upgrade a PC, then Vista will certainly be an option. So, I agree with you. XP OEM is fine for people using their current PCs.
blueprintstudios
New member
well regarding backup, ironically i've had bad experiences with highly branded optical storage media like TDK and Verbatim, the only one I'd buy now is Imation so far no problems. and I'm living proof of someone who has managed to preserve his data for the past 10 years 1997-1999 = 80 floppy disks.(back then too young to afford my own hdd) 2000 - 2001 = CDs (until it got too hard and tiring to backup), then 2001 - 2003 = Hard disks (until they started failing) and 2003 - 2007 = DVDs.
current data amount hits up to 1.5 terabyte. I've backed up 0.8tb so far. slowly burning/sorting out a day at a time. I bought 3 X 320gig brand new hard disks to play safe and store the un-backedup ones in first.
1 terabyte = 1024 gigabyte for those who're not aware.
current data amount hits up to 1.5 terabyte. I've backed up 0.8tb so far. slowly burning/sorting out a day at a time. I bought 3 X 320gig brand new hard disks to play safe and store the un-backedup ones in first.
1 terabyte = 1024 gigabyte for those who're not aware.
gutturalpiss
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wah kia..if that is the case then optical discs are unpredictable :x Many recommend DVD RAM..and i use that besides the normal hdd backup.
blueprintstudios
New member
DVD RAM is for re-writing up to a capability of 100'000 times. but thats if you constantly replace the data. otherwise it's "one time back up and chuck away" archive.
its easy..............
i use the same windows with 4 copies running on the same PC.
just install into a diff folder when it asks you and reg as normal. if you boot up it will use the one you choose.
i have one for music, 1 for vid, 1 for graphics and 1 for the web and rest of life.
need help? HP 82332102
i use the same windows with 4 copies running on the same PC.
just install into a diff folder when it asks you and reg as normal. if you boot up it will use the one you choose.
i have one for music, 1 for vid, 1 for graphics and 1 for the web and rest of life.
need help? HP 82332102
bernardgoh
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stay away from vista... i'm using vista to test my new daw now and it's very very bad. XP is still the solution for now as vista take up too much resources even when i stop all services. very very bad....
blueprintstudios
New member
otpp : haha I got a similar setup. but mine is disk imaging. I have one main C: partition for windows, D: for diagnostic windows E: store data. F: disk image.
tamper with the windows registry to save any document on the browser favorites / desktop / my documents to E:.
inside F: , there's "Studio Dedicated PC" disk image / "Video Editing Dedicated PC" disk image / "All Rounder PC".
so I don't waste hard disk space with so many copies of windows. and always have a ready defragmented OS within minutes after disk image cloning.
bernardgoh : yep, i swear by XP for now, until they come up with some Vista Service Pack 3 or something new after Vista. by then DAWs/New audio components should be more compatible with vista.
tamper with the windows registry to save any document on the browser favorites / desktop / my documents to E:.
inside F: , there's "Studio Dedicated PC" disk image / "Video Editing Dedicated PC" disk image / "All Rounder PC".
so I don't waste hard disk space with so many copies of windows. and always have a ready defragmented OS within minutes after disk image cloning.
bernardgoh : yep, i swear by XP for now, until they come up with some Vista Service Pack 3 or something new after Vista. by then DAWs/New audio components should be more compatible with vista.
Cheez
Moderator
Otpp, can you confirm how you did that? I can't recall clearly (it's the distant past), but I think I tried using the same copy of Windows for multiple installations. It's as you said - they ask which partition to install it. But if I remember correctly, the registry still runs off the first installation, or is somehow tagged to it. I can't recall clearly, but I remembered that it didn't quite give me the full horsepower I needed as a result. Can confirm?
If I'm wrong, then I'll be really glad! Because that means I can save trying to get 2 copies of Windows all the time.
If I'm wrong, then I'll be really glad! Because that means I can save trying to get 2 copies of Windows all the time.
multi windows.........its easy
all you do is install windows 4 times using the same code.
when installing choose not to put it in the old folder.
it will work fine as you are only using one copy at a time and as you own the copy you have the legal right to install it multi times as long as its all on the same computer and your only using one copy at a time.
i emailed microsoft when i was doing it the first time to ask how and if it would work. they told me how to do it and that all on the same computer its ok.
enjoy!
all you do is install windows 4 times using the same code.
when installing choose not to put it in the old folder.
it will work fine as you are only using one copy at a time and as you own the copy you have the legal right to install it multi times as long as its all on the same computer and your only using one copy at a time.
i emailed microsoft when i was doing it the first time to ask how and if it would work. they told me how to do it and that all on the same computer its ok.
enjoy!
Cheez
Moderator
I know it's possible. My question is whether after doing it, the other windows partitions will use the registry from the first windows being installed. I recall something like that happened when I did it which prompted me to use 2 different copies. I may be wrong - and I hope I am wrong!
Because if all other versions runs off (or is tagged) to the registry of the first Windows installation, then it's not a dedicated machine. That would affect the performance and is not much difference from installation everything into one partition.
Please let me be wrong!
Because if all other versions runs off (or is tagged) to the registry of the first Windows installation, then it's not a dedicated machine. That would affect the performance and is not much difference from installation everything into one partition.
Please let me be wrong!
gutturalpiss
New member
No, I don't think that would be the case. It's 4 _different_ installations, from what otpp says. So we should assume it's really 4 dedicated OSs. God knows what he means by folder, though. I have never gotten the choice of installing into a directory aside from other OSs, which would be a nice _feature_ I think..or not.
