Life After Lee

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JUST TO MAKE THIS CLEAR. This thread is not meant for people to rant their unhappiness with authority. This post is merely for those open to discussing what are the possibilities of our country's future after the passing of Lee. Please refrain from stereotypical rebel yells for revolution. Save that for the rallies.




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SINGAPORE: A People’s Action Party (PAP) split by internal schisms. Future leaders bereft of the "huge political legitimacy" that could be gained from endorsement by the man with unmatched moral and historical authority. These are some of the leadership fates that could befall a post—Lee Kuan Yew Singapore, as hotelier Ho Kwon Ping sees it.

And such "imponderable" scenarios could help explain why a "system of elders" is now taking shape in the political landscape.

"Perhaps it is to restrain factionalism, arbitrate disagreements, groom and assess future leaders, that the positions of senior minister and minister mentor have been institutionalised," said Mr Ho, who feels the PAP’s "extraordinary cohesion" over five decades has owed much to "the forceful personality of Lee Kuan Yew".

Mr Ho, who is also MediaCorp chairman, was speaking on Monday alongside Professor Kishore Mahbubani at a seminar organised by Nanyang Technological University’s Asian Journalism Fellowship programme. The topic? "Singapore Beyond Lee Kuan Yew: Institutionalising the Singapore Way".

Of this future, Prof Mahbubani, who Dean of the Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy, would not rule out a "significant reversal" of Mr Lee’s legacy, or the rise of a stronger Opposition usurping the one dominant party system — though he gave each scenario only a "one—sixth probability".

While a "smooth and seamless transition" was a two—thirds likelihood, Prof Mahbubani harked back to the words of former Deputy Prime Minister Goh Keng Swee, after the PAP’s long monopoly of parliament was broken in 1981. "As (Dr Goh) has wisely told us, failure happens when we fail to consider the possibility of failure."

So, for instance in the unlikely event of a strong opposition arising, would Mr Lee’s legacy be weakened? In fact, the "sharper political debates" arising could make Singaporeans more aware of the "precious political legacy they have enjoyed", said Prof Mahbabuni.

On the other hand, as has happened in South Korea and Taiwan, it could also lead to the old legacies being quickly lost and forgotten by the new generation. "I am frequently shocked when I meet younger Singaporeans who have never heard of Dr Goh," he said.

Both speakers were not alone in expressing uncertainty over how Singapore’s future, sans Mr Lee, would play out. During the Q&A session, which was off—the—record, the audience raised concerns such as how the country would be deprived of its most astute and influential critic — and whether Mr Lee’s legacy, or indeed Singapore, could unravel.

While Mr Lee’s retirement would "create a huge political vacuum", Prof Mahbubani believes Singapore has "done a lot" to protect his legacy, such as instilling a deep culture of meritocracy and incorruptibility.

And Mr Ho had no doubts Singaporeans could "muddle their way through", even if the PAP’s leadership renewal "fails to deliver what it has done for the past 50 years".

Mr Lee’s greatest legacy, he said, "is that the Singapore which he so passionately shaped will outlive not only him, but even his own party, should that ever come to pass".

The reason: In his single most critical imperative — nation building — Mr Lee has largely succeeded, said Mr Ho, who has found young Singaporeans to own a strong sense of involvement and ownership in the country, contrary to stereotype.

"Equally contrary to some people’s wishful thinking, there is not likely to be dramatic, broad—brush social or political liberalisation," said Mr Ho. "This is not a pent up society waiting for the demise of the strongman in order to overturn highly unpopular laws."

Rather, the government has the support of the politically—vital heartland in its pragmatic, incremental approach to change, even as it responds to tomorrow’s generation, he said.


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i dont know why u guys like to bring political discussion over to this forum populated by kids who just discovered rock n roll..... you just gonna get lots of stupid replies that are a result of the lack of education and knowledge on the topic *shrugs*
 
i dont know why u guys like to bring political discussion over to this forum populated by kids who just discovered rock n roll..... you just gonna get lots of stupid replies that are a result of the lack of education and knowledge on the topic *shrugs*


strongly agreed.
 
i dont know why u guys like to bring political discussion over to this forum populated by kids who just discovered rock n roll..... you just gonna get lots of stupid replies that are a result of the lack of education and knowledge on the topic *shrugs*

and people who rebel for the sake of rebelling lol.
 
Doesn't mean that mature and well-educated intellectuals in this forum aren't allowed to discuss, yeah?

I don't see why opposition parties will get any uprisings when our beloved leader passes away. PAP will remain PAP and the Lee dynasty continues on.
 
and people who rebel for the sake of rebelling lol.

Did you even read the story?

It has absolutely nothing to do with rebellion whatsoever, silly little turd. It's just to do with what people feel the shape of things to be come will be like. So please, refrain from being so bloody contrived. tsk tsk.

Besides, this story isn't so much about political debates and more so about how people will think the future of our country will shape up in the future.

And there is nothing wrong with wondering what life will be like after Lee passes, since for most of us (including the younger generation), this is all we have ever known. It might get better, it might get worse. What is the harm in asking Singaporeans what they think their own country will be like in the future that all of us will help build?

And also, the story is very much pro-PAP. So any inferrations of rebellion from you are merely subject to your own wild interpretions.

Cased closed. Back to topic.
 
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i dont know why u guys like to bring political discussion over to this forum populated by kids who just discovered rock n roll..... you just gonna get lots of stupid replies that are a result of the lack of education and knowledge on the topic *shrugs*

So you are implying that 'kids who just discovered rock n roll' are also 'a result of lack of education and knowledge'? Since when are they mutually inclusive / exclusive? You mean a kid who is just digging rock n roll is unable to share his opinions on what he / she feels is the future of the country he / she will grow up in, or that his / her answers will be 'stupid'?

How narrow-minded and strangely ironic of you to be calling others 'uneducated'!

Case-closed. Back to topic



I personally feel that the Lee dynasty will carry on even after his passing, and that is not necessarily a bad thing as those whom he has groomed to be his successors will be well-trained in running an already efficient country. Perhaps the new leader will throw in a few changes here and there, but nothing radical.
 
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I personally feel that the Lee dynasty will carry on even after his passing, and that is not necessarily a bad thing as those whom he has groomed to be his successors will be well-trained in running an already efficient country. Perhaps the new leader will throw in a few changes here and there, but nothing radical.

good analysis, but not fair equate the gov with the "lee dynasty".

on political leadership, the pap is setting up a council of experienced former leaders to guide the current generation and instituting it in the gov, something like a jedi council. got good n bad points. we must have someone to offer a contrarian view before this group suffers herd mentality.
 
So you are implying that 'kids who just discovered rock n roll' are also 'a result of lack of education and knowledge'? Since when are they mutually inclusive / exclusive? You mean a kid who is just digging rock n roll is unable to share his opinions on what he / she feels is the future of the country he / she will grow up in, or that his / her answers will be 'stupid'?

yes but no but yes

i think he meant that u were targeting a demographic which is not so involved in politics/governance.

to better shape this thread, u could have structured your starting thread a little better and edit it so u can make it more digestable for the SOFT demographic before there is someone shouting "PAP SUCKS" and not add anything thoughtful by users

maybe put in a voting system with a list of a spectrum of opinions

ok shower time.
 
Did you even read the story?

It has absolutely nothing to do with rebellion whatsoever, silly little turd. It's just to do with what people feel the shape of things to be come will be like. So please, refrain from being so bloody contrived. tsk tsk.

Besides, this story isn't so much about political debates and more so about how people will think the future of our country will shape up in the future.

I think the other guy's just pointing out that there's bound to be an anti-PAP post popping up any time soon (given the previous trends in politically-based posts in SOFT), and that's a fair and arguably relevant opinion in an open discussion, no? putting him down as a silly little turd is as well as, very ironically, you sounding off that even we in a music forum should be able to state our opinions.

the "shaping" of our country's future will inevitably bring up political debates, simply because the 2 are interlinked. proof of which is the existence of opposition parties and elections, both of which are natural consequences of debates/"people thinking" of the future of our country.

Maybe if you wanted specific comments, you could have stated a narrower premise, instead of a "opinions?" one-liner, and slamming the subsequent posters for being too narrow-minded.

Yes yes, i noe, out of point, case closed, back to topic. i'm not the political sort anyway
 
yes but no but yes

i think he meant that u were targeting a demographic which is not so involved in politics/governance.

to better shape this thread, u could have structured your starting thread a little better and edit it so u can make it more digestable for the SOFT demographic before there is someone shouting "PAP SUCKS" and not add anything thoughtful by users

maybe put in a voting system with a list of a spectrum of opinions

ok shower time.

Noted, agreed, and edited!
 
i believe his legacy is the system he has created, the machine whose cogs he has oiled (with a comprehensive instruction manual in case of breakdown), and a country that's well placed to continue to prosper in this part of the globe.

while what will happen in the future can't be predicted, what we can be sure about is that as long as it continues to work hard and uphold the values which built it, SG should turn out just fine
 
I think we will see divisions emerge within the PAP after Lee Kuan Yew passes on. There are definitely people in there with differing ideologies who are just keeping quiet at the moment and waiting for the right time to seize the moment.

After all, if you really want to be an agent of change but you can't beat the system, you'll have to play along with it. If you can't beat them, join them! I remember that Vivian Balakrishnan especially used to speak out strongly against PAP policies before joining the PAP himself.

Lee Kuan Yew achieved some very great things. He was a pioneer and a genius. But I believe that the time will soon be ripe for us to move on to the next chapter of our lives, without that comforting authority breathing down our backs, be it real or imagined.

Life will start to get alot more interesting then, I'm sure.
 
Vivian Balakrishnan is a man with great potential. He is what I would almost consider a 'current generation' politician with the charisma to appeal to the younger crowd who might not fully appreciate the foundations we currently enjoy but often take for granted.
 
hahha sorry, case re-opened. perhaps my inept rhetoric caused you to misunderstand my sentence in a post hoc manner.

if u read carefully i said 'lack of education and knowledge on the topic'. i dont know what assumptions u made to link the rock 'n roll kids and lack of education with that mutual inclusiveness/exclusiveness shiet.

however, rock n roll kids are the prevailing demographics of this forum and the accompanying mentality are to be expected as such. yes i am stereotyping here :)

And as observed in previous threads of similar topic, it usually ends up nowhere but in the gutters.

So you are implying that 'kids who just discovered rock n roll' are also 'a result of lack of education and knowledge'? Since when are they mutually inclusive / exclusive? You mean a kid who is just digging rock n roll is unable to share his opinions on what he / she feels is the future of the country he / she will grow up in, or that his / her answers will be 'stupid'?

How narrow-minded and strangely ironic of you to be calling others 'uneducated'!

Case-closed. Back to topic
 
hahha sorry, case re-opened. perhaps my inept rhetoric caused you to misunderstand my sentence in a post hoc manner.

if u read carefully i said 'lack of education and knowledge on the topic'. i dont know what assumptions u made to link the rock 'n roll kids and lack of education with that mutual inclusiveness/exclusiveness shiet.

however, rock n roll kids are the prevailing demographics of this forum and the accompanying mentality are to be expected as such. yes i am stereotyping here :)

And as observed in previous threads of similar topic, it usually ends up nowhere but in the gutters.

Noted. Let's move on!
 
His son is probably not as competent or shrewd as him in dealing with foreign relations and political opponents. And his the grand son.. well we've heard quite abit of him in the news too. So, i doubt this dynasty will continue for another generation
 
They will probably emphasize LKY's heroics in primary and secondary school education once he dies. That one is for sure, if not the majority of prospective voters would not even think of him as significant, and begin to wonder why stick with PAP all the time.
 
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