Help on setup! (guitar)

[Alchemist]

this is how i do my setup:

Guitar --> Crybaby GCB95 -> DS-1-> GT-2 ->TS-7 -> DE-7 --->Randall RX30D Amp.

My Randall Amp have a effect loop.What are the pedals am i suppose to connect to the fx loop? i have tried the DE7 with the effect loop and there was alot of noise and feedback. try it with the gt2 as well and same result.

i also wanna noe how do i reduce the noise ?? whenever i use the gt2 with a dirty amp, it gets realli noisy.

when the amp is clean ,its fine but i hate the distrostion without it being overdriven.doesnt sound full.I tried the TS-7 + GT-2 with the amp clean as well.not much noise but not overdriven enuff for me.Seem onli when the GT2 and the amp overdriven does it cut for me and ya feedback and noise comes in.

How do i solve this 2 probs?

thnks.

 

[leecs]

Thats where tweaking comes into picture. You have to back the gain of either GT2 or the amp. I also use my amp dirty & i have also 3 drv pedals. You gotta balance it out, or else you will hear a 'waterfall' sound when u turn your gtr vol off. I think your 3 drv pedals stacking is abit wrong. I'll refer you pedals stacking as gears in a car.

1st drv pedal = gear 3
2nd drv pedal = gear 4-5
3rd drv pedal = gear 1

You've messed up your dist! + u play on dirty amp. thats noise, not tone. I would suggest you take out your GT2 & play with TS7 & DS1 1st to try out with dirty amp.

1 more thing. when you play with dist pedals, theres bound to have noise. Thats the nature of physics. You cant avoid. If u really wana cut out the noise, get a NS2, but i don think it really help much.

As for effects loop, there are meant for rackmount effects if im not wrong. not meant for pedals. Correct me if im wrong

 

[Alchemist]

icic. thnks.i normally use either DS-1 or Gt2 ,not both together lol. Does the NS-2 realli help much? plus will it affect tone in anyway?

i saw a thread b4 abt subversion explaining abt effect loop and i think he was using a MXR mircoamp pedal on it . btw what are rackmount effects? is it those effects tt those bands use live?(e.g. Metallica,Pantera)

 

[leecs]

Rackmount effects are this,

People like John Petrucci, Andy Timmons uses it.

I've never tried NS2 b4, so i don know whether it will affect the tone or not. I think all non true bypass pedals suck tone. correct me if im wrong.

 

[Alchemist]

that's some sweet looking stuff hahah. So will modding my pedals to a true bypass reduce the noise and retain the tone? sorry 2 ask so much hhaa.Thnks for all the help

 

[Phil]

My Randall Amp have a effect loop.What are the pedals am i suppose to connect to the fx loop? i have tried the DE7 with the effect loop and there was alot of noise and feedback. try it with the gt2 as well and same result.

It is recommended to have the delay in the efx loop. But since it doesn't work for you, then forget it. I, however, like my delay in front.
Drives on the otherhand mostly work best in front, then again, personal preferences.

i also wanna noe how do i reduce the noise ?? whenever i use the gt2 with a dirty amp, it gets realli noisy.

The noise might be due to too much gain, seeing how you are setting the GT2 to hi-gain on an already driven amp.
Try lowering the gain, more oft than not, tone actually sound better with the gain backed off a bit. I am coaxing some neat tones for playing metal with only 60-70% gain on my Tube Zone, on a clean amp.

when the amp is clean ,its fine but i hate the distrostion without it being overdriven.doesnt sound full.I tried the TS-7 + GT-2 with the amp clean as well.not much noise but not overdriven enuff for me.Seem onli when the GT2 and the amp overdriven does it cut for me and ya feedback and noise comes in.

Try fiddling with the amp and GT2's settings/EQ, also not forgetting the TS7.
Sometimes the answer is not just piling on more and even more gain, but just some astute tweaking.

So will modding my pedals to a true bypass reduce the noise and retain the tone? sorry 2 ask so much hhaa.

You must understand what true-bypass means. Do not just mod everything just because people are raving about it.
True-bypass simply means that when the pedal is in the chain but not activated, it does not affect your tone at all.
In your case, I presume that to 'retain the tone' you mean to have the pedal that is modded to true-bypass activated and then making your tone sound sweet. For that, it's a resounding no.
For the noise issue, try lowering the gain, or experiment with pedals such as the ISP Decimator or maybe even the upcoming EHX Hum Debugger.

 

[leecs]

Phil has answered all that i have in mind

 

[Alchemist]

woah...ok hahah . thnks a bunch phil!that sure cleared up alot. yah , i prefer to buy the DE-7 in front as well.

Btw does the GT2 measure up to the tube zone?? tt's another pedal i'm looking into..

 

[ShredCow]

GT2 and Tubezone? Both are different.

GT2 is an analog amp modeller. Tubezone is a dirt box.

You can use the GT2 to play clean jazz or slightly dirty blues. The Tubezone is very ... well... its meant for hi gain stuff.

 

[Alchemist]

HMMmMmM. sounds interesting haha. i'm a metalhead so i guess the tubezone is better choice for me? But even in metal, there are diff kind of dist and from wat i noe abt the TZ the tone varies ALOT. saw the review and it seems to realli kick ass.

 

[ZiiopBoii]

I personally own da miaudio TubeZone n its not really meant 4 hi-gain only, thou it is its forte. but da drive knob is damn versatile. U can get very low gain sound from it. I personally love da char. knob. Its goes from tite to a loose a bit fuzzy sound, controlin da pregain bass, Hear da clips frm miaudio webby It shud help.

 

[ShredCow]

HMMmMmM. sounds interesting haha. i'm a metalhead so i guess the tubezone is better choice for me? But even in metal, there are diff kind of dist and from wat i noe abt the TZ the tone varies ALOT. saw the review and it seems to realli kick ass.

No need to change for the sake of change.

Play with the GT2 somemore. Its tweakability is ridiculous.

When it comes to a point where you are not satisfied with the tone, go for a shopping spree.

Now's a good time to start saving.

 

[Everdying]

when the time comes that you're not satisfied with the tone...
its time for a healthy blast of reality by standing in front of and plugging straight into a full blown marshall running at 11...
and a drummer who sounds like dave lombardo on steroids...

ahhhhh

 

[Alchemist]

Haha, i would never sell my GT2!! jus thot of having more alt. pedals. :twisted:
actually i'm more bothered by the noise rather den the tone.i guess it could b the invader pups i'm using. thinking 2 get a 2nd hand NS-2 to solve that..ISP seems 2 ex for a noise gate to me. heard the NS-2 sucks a lil tone but surely it can be solved by tweaking rite?

 

[Phil]

When it comes a time when that you are not satisfied with your tone, even after insane amounts of tweaking,

You take a break from everything.

And if it still doesn't work, look for alternatives!

 

[ShredCow]

Haha, i would never sell my GT2!! jus thot of having more alt. pedals. :twisted:
actually i'm more bothered by the noise rather den the tone.i guess it could b the invader pups i'm using. thinking 2 get a 2nd hand NS-2 to solve that..ISP seems 2 ex for a noise gate to me. heard the NS-2 sucks a lil tone but surely it can be solved by tweaking rite?

A noise gate.

So. When you stop playing... the noise is gated off right?

When you are playing? It comes back together with your tone. Don't know if that bothers you.

In anycase, IMO, you wouldn't be solving the issue at hand by getting a noise gate. Careful tweaking of gain levels will reduce your noise levels. You don't need THAT much gain. Do that first, then if it doesn't solve the noise issue, check your guitar - get a friend's guitar and plug it into your setup, check, compare.

BTW, haha.. dude, good things come with a heavier price tag lah. ISP has been raved about. There's a reason for the pricing.

 

[Alchemist]

i guess with pedals and tone it is a hit or miss thing. gonna keep trying til you got THE tone. could take a while haha..

 

[ShredCow]

It is a hit or miss thing.

You gotta spend, you gotta try, you gotta read, you gotta heed, etc etc

That's the way it is man.

Have fun... everyone starts somewhere, but you have a good setup there, good enough to gig with.

 

[penguin]

Alchemist is ur GT2 newly bought or is it an old one?
from what i experience the older batch dist tone are much better..

i prefer to plug my gt2 in the effects loop coz the gt2 is a modeller.
it works for me ...
what you can do is put an overdrive pedal before the gt2 and an EQ pedal after it.Perhaps that might work ..as for gain i dun dial it more that 50%..

if still its not good enuf, then get new high gain pickups or bigger amp(2*12)

 

[Alchemist]

i guess mine would be the newer batch. i got it onli i think 4-5 mth back brand new...sound pretty gd 2 me.

i'll try putting gt2 in the effect loop 2ml and try .

Do you mean place the OD b4 the GT2 in the Effects loop or directto input???i normally use the TS-7 more as a booster for leads,which is y my setup places the TS7 after the GT2 .

I currently use SD invaders so i think they are pretty high gain enuff.

Amp wise mine is a 1x12.Love to have a 2x12 but being a student has its limits