Gibson LP Vs PRS standard satin

[Whitestrat]

Well, you would be one of the few to consider such a project... there's quite a bit less $ in such a venture - reason why many boutique makers don't go there...

I would also think that.. well.. if I go in and tool out a guitar from some fantasy of mine... I don't think it would turn out as good as I hope... Ergonomics, weight balance, tone, etc etc...

I read up on how John Suhr puts together a good tremolo... quite astounding. The man seems to really THINK about the way it will SOUND. His vintage trem (the 1055 or something) is actually made of different parts... the only thing stock is the baseplate - the saddles are from a different source, the block is of a different metal.

So yeah... man, but if you're bold enough to design your own guitar - let me know... I'd love to hear what's up your sleeve.

I once posted my dream guitar before... It's pretty much a mosiac of other guitars put together, and actually could be obtained from modifying an EBMM Silhouette.

I just got the silo, and have been playing it. It's pretty much what I wanted, though the neck is a bit thicker than I expected. If it were 2 mm thinner, it'll be perfect.

Here:

• Silhouette base shape (Not the Silo Special shape)
• 24 frets
• 2 piece light weight Alder Body (3lbs if possible)
• Bolt-On construction (No paint in neck pocket)
• John Petrucci forearm cutaway
• SSH configuration
• Sustainiac Neck Pickup/Driver Single Coil size White
• Kinman AVn63 Middle Pickup White
• DiMarzio Steve's Special bridge pickup
• Jumbo frets
• 9.5" Radius (Currently the Silo is 10", which is still ok)
• Gold Piezo equipped standard trem bridge
• 1 Piece Quarter-Sawn heavily flamed maple neck, JP6 Neck Shape
• Heavily Rolled Edges
• No inlays except for 12th fret (2 Abalone dots by the side), but with side-neck markers
• Unpainted Headstock
• Compensated nut
• Gold Locking Tuners
• White knobs
• Piezo/magnetic mix switch
• Master Magnetic Volume
• Master Magnetic Tone
• Piezo Volume
• 5 Way Selector Switch
• Thin coated Metallic Black Sparkle finish
• Pearloid Pickguard with gold screws

Not sure if anyone'll make this for me...

 

[Whitestrat]

I read up on how John Suhr puts together a good tremolo... quite astounding. The man seems to really THINK about the way it will SOUND. His vintage trem (the 1055 or something) is actually made of different parts... the only thing stock is the baseplate - the saddles are from a different source, the block is of a different metal.

Yup... I looked into this previously. The 1055 is the steel grade he's using, which is what Fender uses as well. But the difference, as Callaham will tell you, is in the process of construction: Milled or Cast. There was a huge debate on FDP previously with John Suhr, Mike Eldred, Callaham and Chris Kinman contributing. Cool stuff. They were ALL slamming Callaham on his "milled is better than cast" theory, and they all say there's no difference. So, in this internet age, it's more of a case of Caveat Emptor today than it was in the past.

I decided long ago that standard 316L Stainless Steel was good enough for my ears for all components regardless whether cast or milled, with a possiblility of using Ti-5 Saddles. Anything more, and I'm not able to appreciate the difference in tone, if any.

 

[edo83]

Perhaps an understanding of what the word boutique means will be much better, it doesn't necessarily means doing things that haven't been done at all.

I would think pushing the limits and advancing/improving on the current stable of offerings by the mass manufacturers will qualify as being 'boutique'. So far, Anderson & Suhr has been making lots of great stuff and not just banking on the hype of totally classic/relic stylings. Steinberger has been groundbreaking and i consider Ned's designs to be revolutionary, can be included as boutique in the first place till Gibson bought over the brand. These few guys are doing good for a long time and improving as they go along, not just wanting to profit from the niche market of baby boomers or corksniffers.

I suppose there are some truth to certain dimensions to adhere to, or construction methods. At least so far from the guitars i've tried and owned, unless the point of contention here solely being playability over tone?

 

[edo83]

You can still get a nice sounding guitar with a thinner neck and a thin neck joint. Look at the Ibanez Andy Timmons model

90% of the time, AT is still using his old AT100 up to this day. The AT300 doesn't see much use except for overseas travel or some Ibanez clinics promoting that model, and also the initial period when it was launched.

Most of his album and gigs in the states, we've seen him using the AT100 exclusively. He'd expressed a preference to the AT100 even though it's quite alike spec-wise.

 

[Whitestrat]

Perhaps an understanding of what the word boutique means will be much better, it doesn't necessarily means doing things that haven't been done at all.

I would think pushing the limits and advancing/improving on the current stable of offerings by the mass manufacturers will qualify as being 'boutique'. So far, Anderson & Suhr has been making lots of great stuff and not just banking on the hype of totally classic/relic stylings. Steinberger has been groundbreaking and i consider Ned's designs to be revolutionary, can be included as boutique in the first place till Gibson bought over the brand. These few guys are doing good for a long time and improving as they go along, not just wanting to profit from the niche market of baby boomers or corksniffers.

I suppose there are some truth to certain dimensions to adhere to, or construction methods. At least so far from the guitars i've tried and owned, unless the point of contention here solely being playability over tone?

Boutique to me doesn't mean breaking boundaries. I mentioned the parker fly only because of the playability rather than anything else. I still believe that wood is the key component to having a great sounding guitar.

It's more of "made-to-measure". but these days it seems to mean "the small guy". Anyone who makes guitars that isn't some huge corporate company is considered boutique. What we in the watch industry call "independants".

Again, I've never questioned the tone of all these brands. But more the sense in using the same old formula to provide the same old problems with playing, and still charging that kind of prices.

I'm sure, if you asked Malcolm nice enough, he'd put together a nice axe without ALL those problems with a nice enough price tag. But it's one hell of a lot of work. Even Warmoth and USACG these days provide better solutions than many of these "boutique brands".

 

[Whitestrat]

90% of the time, AT is still using his old AT100 up to this day. The AT300 doesn't see much use except for overseas travel or some Ibanez clinics promoting that model, and also the initial period when it was launched.

Most of his album and gigs in the states, we've seen him using the AT100 exclusively. He'd expressed a preference to the AT100 even though it's quite alike spec-wise.

Does the AT100 have that huge heel?

 

[Benster]

Whitestrat bro, i'm pretty positive that Jason Schroeder can build to those specs for you, albeit within his 2 double-cutaway body styles.

 

[edo83]

Does the AT100 have that huge heel?

Not the big squared heel of Fender, but it's at least bigger than the current contours on the AT300.

About your dream guitar specs, i'm sure if you're not very particular about the body being based on the silo....you could get something done. Just a matter of approaching 1 of those custom builders, not boutique makers i guess.

 

[spinofdoom]

Wah...stop reading this forum for 1 day got so many juicy stuff already!

Btw, I hate elitists too. They are society's snooty talk-big-zero-substance cowardly pompous arse who see things from their ivory tower.

Yeah then when we bash them for being elitist we are sour grape...

Eh I dun wanna reveal my school here but lets just say it ain't too shabby but I din use it as a chip.U tink wad,RJ Big fk arh?There are prolly ppl smarter than u in RJ itself.So STFU and stop thinking u dam big.

Dam why not u go to boon lay and start screaming vulgarities at the market.Then soft will have peace :-D

 

[KennethC]

Dam why not u go to boon lay and start screaming vulgarities at the market.Then soft will have peace :-D

Why boon lay..? RJC is in bishan now..

 

[optisailor2002]

Yeah then when we bash them for being elitist we are sour grape...

Eh I dun wanna reveal my school here but lets just say it ain't too shabby but I din use it as a chip.U tink wad,RJ Big fk arh?There are prolly ppl smarter than u in RJ itself.So STFU and stop thinking u dam big.

Dam why not u go to boon lay and start screaming vulgarities at the market.Then soft will have peace :-D

heh i take offense at such posts personally cos i am from RJ as well. and no i dont think i am a BIG F*CK. and the problem with people? they generalise too much. at what point have i demonstrated myself to be an elitist over other people (besides being a metalhead but that has nothing to do with me being in RJ. my musical taste is pretty much outcast in RJ.)? if you think i am being an elitist now, hey check what you have said, im not being an elitist, im only defending my fellow rafflesians cos i know that not all rafflesians are elitists bastards. just log into a game like conquer online. you see rafflesians mixing well with others from all walks of life from singapore easily. why? cos not all rafflesians are arrogant snobbish bastards who think that they are the best in singapore and they are just as human as the next person.

thinking that we are elitists is precisely having the same mentality as elitists yourself. you are just as biased as elitists themselves innit.

 

[Benster]

wow, cool, looks like this thread has gone from Gibson vs PRS, to almondx vs rest of SOFT, to RJC debate club alumni vs rest of the world?

 

[optisailor2002]

wow, cool, looks like this thread has gone from Gibson vs PRS, to almondx vs rest of SOFT, to RJC debate club alumni vs rest of the world?

well this wouldnt have happened if people just stop generalising.

 

[almondx]

To set the record straight:


I DO NOT OWN 3 SOLOWAY SWANS.

I own 2.

Yes, I am Ben's primary school classmate.

Yes, I did add AlmondX to my MSN, I was impressed with his knowledge of gear at the time.

No, I'm not some hotshot guitarist who would make someone feel flattered if they talked to him. I'm an average joe who's somewhat surprised that his name has been thrown around, albeit very slightly, in this thread.

As someone who can say, with a degree of humility, that he own a couple of nice guitars, that he's completed fairly lengthy tertiary education, and that he knows quite a few Rafflesians, relatives and friends included, it's absolutely unnecessary and inappropriate to throw around your alma mater or your "knowledge" in a thread on the internet. If one does, one should be prepared to be called snobbish, and for good reason.

Lastly, and this is a personal opinion, anyone who talks so much shit about gear better be able to play guitar. Otherwise, amongst serious guitarist, they're a bit of a novelty. Sure you "know" a lot... but so what?

If a guy with a $200 guitar and beat up strings can make it sing better than you $6000USD setup, and I actually know and have met many, many, many people who can do that over the last 13 years of playing guitar (wow that's actually one more year than the average person spends from primary school to JC *rolls eyes*) then all that "knowledge" is worth, in practical terms, jack shit. If one needs to be "qualified" to make such a statement, then having owned and had the pleasure to play all manner of boutique gear over the years, especially while I was overseas, I consider myself qualified to make such a statement.

And since I know both ChanMin and Benster, I know that in a headcutting competition, they can both hold their own.

The beginner is always fascinated by how much he knows. And always uses the little that he does to try and impress other people. However, the experienced are always fascinated by how much they don't know. And are usually too busy learning to wave their genitals around trying to get some applause. I hope, being the subject of the "third" part of the story, my explanation sheds some light on "the truth".

PS: Paying a compliment to someone does not immediately mean that one does not come off as snobbish

PPS: There are those of us, few as you may believe there to be, who are astute enough, that armed with the following information, might be able to discern for themselves (despite it never being explicitly disclosed), your approximate age:

"haha anyway i've gtg.. i'm in the middle of my A levels"

I see no need to impress people. Would it be better to say that I'm 18 and I just grad from ITE then? That constitutes waving ITE around then eh? As I've said, do not have pre conceived notions.

Yea, you may have played alot of gear, but that doesn't mean you know alot about them - you can eat chicken rice without needing to know how to cook chicken rice.

Anyway, I did not say I don't know how to play guitar. I've only been playing it for 5 years so I have not reached an extremely proficient stage yet, and hence I say I do not play it very well.

PS: You may type all you want, but the fact is you got such a simple piece of information wrong - that JC grads are 16 years old - says alot about the integrity of your post.

PPS: Here's the chat log, let people decide how snobbish I am when I was talking to you.
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/2/18/791663/Log.doc

As for my outline on Gibson - you seem to be deliberately avoiding it, choosing to pick on the word explicitly, no?

[Edit] Btw, since raving: 4.Usually, ravings. a.irrational, incoherent talk, and I use evidence to substantiate my points, you've just pointed out that whatever I've said does not constitute raving. Thank you.

 

[optisailor2002]

you guys saying that almondx playing the religion card is below the belt, isnt playing the "RJ = ELITIST" card below the belt as well? hypocrites.

 

[almondx]

wow, cool, looks like this thread has gone from Gibson vs PRS, to almondx vs rest of SOFT, to RJC debate club alumni vs rest of the world?

In other words, it simply means almondx has enough balls to stand against the rest of soft.

 

[Benster]

you guys saying that almondx playing the religion card is below the belt, isnt playing the "RJ = ELITIST" card below the belt as well? hypocrites.

bro, pls re-read all my posts, where and when did i ever say RJC was elitist?

i merely mentioned in a light-hearted manner that u guys like to debate. is that not true?

i have nothing against RJC, i have many great & nice friends who were from RJC. would you like to be one of them?

 

[optisailor2002]

bro, pls re-read all my posts, where and when did i ever say RJC was elitist?

i merely mentioned in a light-hearted manner that u guys like to debate. is that not true?

i have nothing against RJC, i have many great & nice friends who were from RJC. would you like to be one of them?

you dont have to say something to mean something you know. just based on people's attitudes eg. spinofdoom, it can easily be seen that he indeed has something against RJC generally. neither did i say that you mentioned that RJC is elitist, but i hate it when people go "no wonder" when someone mentions that hes from RJC. if that wasnt meant to say that rafflesians are arrogant and elitist bastards, what was that supposed to mean then?

and note that i wouldnt have bothered debating over issues such as this if it werent for offensive posts by certain people. i just find the need for defending myself since it is just plain stupid to generalise.

 

[edo83]

If fenderben don't mind neighbourhood school, i would like to be your friend too and have a plate of kway png!

 

[Benster]

In other words, it simply means almondx has enough balls to stand against the rest of soft.

yes, you do. yes, you are the wisest and greatest person here. no one can argue with you and survive your almighty tongue. you rule this place, its yours for the taking. have mercy on us all.