Fantom Vs Triton Extreme Vs Motif ES
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Cheez
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Sorry, I beg to differ. Motif (and ALL Yamaha) acoustic sounds pale in comaprison with Roland's. We don't even have to go for the later Roland sounds - go for their old JV expansion and it already beats Motif's acoustics.
Perhaps the key is acoustic "emulation" which they clearly pointed out. Yamaha is king of emulation (not necessary realism). They use lots of elements within one patch and programming to try to make acoustic instruments sound real. You can tell they put in quite a lot of effort when you dissect each patch to see what's in it.
Roland's different. They may also use multiple elements but tends to be less than Yamaha's. But their original recorded sample is better done. I guess Eric Persing's signature sampling and programming skills still exist in Roland even though he is now no longer part of Roland but in Spectrasonics.
Perhaps the key is acoustic "emulation" which they clearly pointed out. Yamaha is king of emulation (not necessary realism). They use lots of elements within one patch and programming to try to make acoustic instruments sound real. You can tell they put in quite a lot of effort when you dissect each patch to see what's in it.
Roland's different. They may also use multiple elements but tends to be less than Yamaha's. But their original recorded sample is better done. I guess Eric Persing's signature sampling and programming skills still exist in Roland even though he is now no longer part of Roland but in Spectrasonics.
bongman
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how about KORG?
so here is the answer - to buy Fantom or Motif ?
KORG is popular as a performance gig synth
Roland for sequceing studio work.
Yamaha try to be both, so ends up nowhere?
but Singaporean still buy Yamaha becos Swee Lee service sucks!
Korg has the best price out of all.
Cheez
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The question was about acoustic sounds. For acoustic sounds, Korg is also nowhere near Roland.
However, for dance and electronic stuffs, I would definitely choose Korg before Roland. Roland would be my last choice for electronic music (except maybe for their V-synth).
But then again, I'm not really into electronic music...
However, for dance and electronic stuffs, I would definitely choose Korg before Roland. Roland would be my last choice for electronic music (except maybe for their V-synth).
But then again, I'm not really into electronic music...
bongman
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errr.... pardon me, din read the postings properly,
only paid attention the first attachment comparison.
oh yes, when Korg Triton came along it sounds digitized for the dance market. waiting for the Korg M3. Stephen Kay played a part on this development.
Roland FantomX good for dance with the SRX cards supreme and plat trax.
only paid attention the first attachment comparison.
oh yes, when Korg Triton came along it sounds digitized for the dance market. waiting for the Korg M3. Stephen Kay played a part on this development.
Roland FantomX good for dance with the SRX cards supreme and plat trax.
zerosoul79
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hmm
Technical aspects
hmm used motif es6.. but me bad had trouble with the interface ( i am that dumb sometimes haha). not use to the feel of the keys even..had it traded with an extreme.. after all..kinda spent a lot of years with the LE
as for roland..my only experience with it was with my very first syth way back with the xp 10 and later xp 80 for some recording stuff..
all in all..ya i'm a commercialised freak.. extreme the most user friendly for me.. then again like i said.. i dunno much about hardware..mainly using it for performance based stuff.
sounds
Korgs ok for me..though i must admit i miss motif strings and piano.. hehe
sorry to disgress but anyone heard of the music pole??http://www.themusicpole.com/ damn tempted!!
Technical aspects
hmm used motif es6.. but me bad had trouble with the interface ( i am that dumb sometimes haha). not use to the feel of the keys even..had it traded with an extreme.. after all..kinda spent a lot of years with the LE
as for roland..my only experience with it was with my very first syth way back with the xp 10 and later xp 80 for some recording stuff..
all in all..ya i'm a commercialised freak.. extreme the most user friendly for me.. then again like i said.. i dunno much about hardware..mainly using it for performance based stuff.
sounds
Korgs ok for me..though i must admit i miss motif strings and piano.. hehe
sorry to disgress but anyone heard of the music pole??http://www.themusicpole.com/ damn tempted!!
Cheez
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Yes, I think the M3 is goint to take the lead in electronic music workstation for a while.
I'm beginning to think that Korg is quite smart in going full-force into making their keyboards excel in electronic music. They don't do well in acoustic sounds - but that's quite OK.
For acoustic sounds, manurfacturers have to compete with softsamplers - which is really no competition at all. There's no way they can beat them. With PC getting more and more powerful and faster, sampling on the PC playform will always be ahead of keyboards. That's because acoustic sounds is based on one important factor - realism.
Electronic sounds is different. There's nothing "reaslistic" about it.
I'm beginning to think that Korg is quite smart in going full-force into making their keyboards excel in electronic music. They don't do well in acoustic sounds - but that's quite OK.
For acoustic sounds, manurfacturers have to compete with softsamplers - which is really no competition at all. There's no way they can beat them. With PC getting more and more powerful and faster, sampling on the PC playform will always be ahead of keyboards. That's because acoustic sounds is based on one important factor - realism.
Electronic sounds is different. There's nothing "reaslistic" about it.
zerosoul79
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very true about softsynth/s ..no fight when it comes to acoustic sounds.. but i cant wait that long to boot up a sound when playing live. sigh i need stronger uber comps.
bongman
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Oh yes, that's true; which is what peace maker softie Cheez has always been advocating - Sampling !!!
It's been a talk with some music friends like 10 years ago that the
MIDI synth development would fo 2 ways -
ascoutic emulation and 'out of the world' sounds nobody heard of.
there you go - realism and electronic music.
It's been a talk with some music friends like 10 years ago that the
MIDI synth development would fo 2 ways -
ascoutic emulation and 'out of the world' sounds nobody heard of.
there you go - realism and electronic music.
Cheez
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Come to think of it, keyboards acoustic sounds does have an advantage over softsamplers. And I think the main thing is the playablility. Few softsamplers can be played live - most need sequencing to give the best realism. A few exeptions are Garritan's stuffs. Keyboard acoustic sounds, although not as realistic, is programmed to be able to play live without sequencing.
So there you go! There's still a market for it! Until softsamplers develop into more playable instruments - which will not be long since Garritan already succeeded in his Stradivarius Violin and Gofriller Cello.
So there you go! There's still a market for it! Until softsamplers develop into more playable instruments - which will not be long since Garritan already succeeded in his Stradivarius Violin and Gofriller Cello.
Cheez
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Or use it to play games, surf the net etc.
Actually, one thing that would REALLY be nice. Somebody develop a nice large software interface (GUI) with large nice buttons, use it on a tablet that is touch sensitive (not just sensitive to the stylus). This will really make live performance with softsynths great.
Actually, one thing that would REALLY be nice. Somebody develop a nice large software interface (GUI) with large nice buttons, use it on a tablet that is touch sensitive (not just sensitive to the stylus). This will really make live performance with softsynths great.
bongman
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hi, errrr.... I'm an IT engr by day and part-time hobbyist techno musician. the number of PCs I see that crashes I see in my day job for no logic reason makes me very doubtful about PCs/laptops. you won't know when it will hang, that's the worst thing to happen !!!
not sure about Macs, never familiar with Apple computers, the last time I ever work on a Mac is to migrate Pagemaker files from Mac to PC, that was it.
the only synth that I own that hang after operating for 30min is the
Ensoniq VFX, one hell of a synth with out of the world sounds but a hell to work on. it's now still in my store hoping to solve the calbration problem one day...
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