DIY pedal help

Anteopiz

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do spare me a few moments of your time...
I plan to start a hobby, pedal building...
and i'm unclear bout some stuff...
hope for guildance in this issue..

Qns 1:
i know there are many types of transistor around
and i just want to know, doesw each type of transistor give a certain sound characteristic to the pedal: lets say drive pedals?

Qns 2

i plan to build a EH big muff for my first project according to this schematic
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so they said to use high gain NPN silicon.. is there a spec for this transistor? or any silicon ones can be used.

Qns 3

and for the potentiometers, whats is the Diff in the Log. ones (volume and sustain ) and the Lin. ones (tone)?

hope these Qns are clear
thanks alot
anteopiz[/QUOTE]
 
Oh...
i've no idea on whats easy and not...
I can do a A/B switch box.
now thinking to move on to a simple "drive pedal"?
or what you all this I should do next?
 
you might like to check out diystompboxes.com, geofex.com, jack orman's amz effect site and beavis audio site go thru the forum /sites and you find many many info which will be really really useful in the process. Start with the faq for the diystompboxes, the info inside be a good start, then search around the diystompboxes forum for all your needs. From what i have tried myself personally, most of the beginner doubts/questions which i have when starting out last year, it can be found in it, more than what i wanted to know infact.

transistor is just part of the equation, the other components in the circuit work together to give the sound. Theres a intro to distortion effect in the diystompboxes forum. The info there will help.

there are many many different npn transistor(the other is pnp type), you can try googling for the info, the different type etc. Those transistors always have its own number, BC108/109/548/549/550, 2n2222, 2n3904 etc. Just google the number and spec data, you will find the info.

Lin-linear pot, usually with the letter "B"/lin on the pot surface. When you turn from minimum to maximum, the resistance changes linearly. At half turn of the shaft, you will get the 50% value of the total value.

Aud- audio pot, usually with letter "A" on the pot surface. This pot usually used for volume. First 60-70% of turning the shaft from minimum to maximum value, you will get a slower response, the last 30-40%, you will a faster response to max.

you can interchange both to use. Both will still work, but the taper(shaft turning in response to resistance change) will vary in the performance for the parameter you want to change on the pedal.

for more info, search round the beavis audio site, he has written 2 long articles on capacitors and pots, those are really useful. If you still wanna extra reading on pots, theres another one from geofex site and this one

Basically, most of the sites mentioned above, you might like to go thru it first, theres really a lot of stuff which are very very useful, imho.

for the big muff you wanna try, just break up the circuit into different stages, redraw the thing if you wanna, it can be easier to read and understand

For the powering section, refer to beavis audio site, theres an article in it to show how to wire typical effect pedal. That one will help. The muff circuit in the schematic simplified the powering section and also omitting the 3pdt wiring for effect on/bypass, LED.

usually to simplify a circuit, i look for the input, output, the ic chip/transistors, power section, biasing section for opamp. After all theses are established, look for the spec data for the ic chip, transistor etc. The rest just a matter of following the connection between the resistors/caps/diode etc. It works for me usually, in simplifying the circuit.

heh, its really possible to do a pedal without understanding whats going on, as long as you follow the schematic like playing jig saw puzzle. The only problem will arise when the thing doesnt work in the end and no idea of where to start finding the problem.

Nonetheless, have fun
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Please start with a simple transistor booster type and move from there as big builds may be a major turn off if it doesn't work.

Then... you will spend more time distinguishing the fact from the mojo ....have fun.


Hey pathein ... nice!!
 
yo bro goose bro, last week i was at the gig where david was playing improvised stuff, thot i might see you there. Heh, but i did saw your boosty/citrus pedal if not wrong, being used by the bassist. The oleng kolour is too unique to miss it.
 
thanks all for the helpful replies
okaay
so start with a simple trans booster...
better go and look up the schematics on it...
and besides sim lim tower is there anywhere else to get electronic parts?
and for pots does diff brands offer diff kind of sound or its just the quality?

thanks
 
one of the simplest circuit is the electro harmonix Lpb booster, that one also got a walk thru thread on diystompboxes, what components for what purposes etc. Just search round for it if you wann try that

simlim tower can find most of what your need. Its easier to go there coz everything is under one roof, just need patience to walk around the building and look thru shelves after shelves

most pot from simlim are cheapo pots at $1 to few bucks for those special type. Those if you just wanna do effect for fun, will be good enough. Quality wise, hehe, those at $1 per piece, cant be fussy. The value usually not consistent(usually less than the value stated at plus minus 5 to 10%, sometime much more), the shaft break easily if you overtighten etc. But then, at that price, cant be choosy
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Another thing is most pot at SL tower are linear pot. If you wanna audio pot, gotta walk round the place and check. So far i found only 1 shop at the basement, almost hidden away from othe shops, near to staircase having some audio pots.

If you wanna be anal bout the parts, especially pots or other rare comonents which cant find there, reputable and reliable are these 2 foreign sites where most diy people order their stuff, small bear electronic and mouser. The pots they have are what most booteek maker uses and cost about 8-10 times more than the pots from simlim. If you order in bulk of several hundreds, then it will be cheaper, but definitely still more expensive than those cheapo pots. Quality is better for sure, from the build to the performance

pot does affect sound, but not in the sense of good tone and bad tone(imho that is, others might have thier own view). Do read up on the info on pots and how different value pots react when use in geetar as volume pots etc, what happen internally when you turn the pot etc

basically for all the info you can find, most of the time, the answer wont come to you straight away. Need to read, re read, do the circuit on bread board, re do, re connect, go back to reading more, connect even more, before the answer will slowly come to you. It can be frustrating, but theres lotsa fun when the circuit able to work.

For a start, if you wanna do the circuit for trial

you can get a 1 or 2 breadboard for the circuit connection/testing, some rolls of single strand jumper wire to interconnect components(red/black etc, red for signal, black for ground connection etc), some 3pdt toggle switch(to act as 3pdt stompswitch used for most pedals), some LEDS, some mono and stereo 1/4 phonejacks, power jack, battery snap etc. With those, basically you can simulate the whole circuit on breadboard, up to the effect switching, led toggling, plugging in the cable to power up the led etc.

other than that, go thru over some infos on how to wire truebypass for pedals, how to wire the power jack section and using a stereo jack as switch to power up led when plugging in cable, how does the switches(spdt/2pdt/3pdt/4pdt) works etc(sometime those switches can be used to do many magic to switch signal routing, different value components for different sound etc.

oh, and lastly, a multi meter to do continuity test. Heh, i love doing continuity test. Some problems can be solved just by doing it. But then, thats another thing.

Have fun going thru those forums mentioned in the thread. Its like having many many valuable treasure chests waiting for you..
 
Pathein bro! That day when you leaving I told you I going to that shop in the corner right? That one also have audio pots, but only 250k ya :D
 
yo bro goose bro, last week i was at the gig where david was playing improvised stuff, thot i might see you there. Heh, but i did saw your boosty/citrus pedal if not wrong, being used by the bassist. The oleng kolour is too unique to miss it.

Ha ... one of my girls was not feeling well so i just stayed home lah...
I heard from David (i/d) that it was mind rapping event ....
Btw ...you should be next on the list ;) doin your stuff !!

Pathein bro! That day when you leaving I told you I going to that shop in the corner right? That one also have audio pots, but only 250k ya :D

Seriously i usually just measure taper and pay more attention to pot construction and material quality than taper, as it is sometimes misleading.
 
Pathein bro! That day when you leaving I told you I going to that shop in the corner right? That one also have audio pots, but only 250k ya :D

anyone knows why the ratio of linear and log pot so unbalance over there? Haha I tried asking the aunty last time. Most look at me blankly


Ha ... one of my girls was not feeling well so i just stayed home lah...
I heard from David (i/d) that it was mind rapping event ....

ahhh, i see, hope she's feeling beeter now.

yeah, some of it quite mind boggling and inspiring, but some, its mind "raping"/a test of tolerance/patience ...
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