Disappointed with this drum instructor - cheats people $$$

[turbochicken]

6 years old is actually not developed enough to take drums; they're not on par with others when it comes to mastering certain techniques. of course, there are syllables for young children.

back to topic, always try to get the instructor's portfolio, and check him out (if he gigs) before making a commitment (esp financially in this case).

it takes all kinds to make a world, but there are good dedicated teachers around, if you look hard enough.

 

[Cheez]

6 years old is actually not developed enough to take drums; they're not on par with others when it comes to mastering certain techniques. of course, there are syllables for young children.

Well, my friend's son is doing fairly well! The purpose is not to "be on par" - but to develop musically and have fun. I believe that's what music should be for children - fun! Anyhow, I think at 6, he already got both hands pretty well coordinated and the next step is the feet.

Anyway, that's off topic.

 

[SoundMixPro]

lessons from drums - technically and financially

One good idea is to pay after every lesson. If the instructor doesnt agree, then its his lost, never yours. If he is that good and famous like he says to be, then he shouldnt be haggling about this.

22.50 per lesson is a good deal. But seriously, pro musicians and teachers will never settle for less than 50 dollars per lesson, and thats with or without studio rental.

Hope this helps
Darren

 

[turbochicken]

hi to the above,

that's not true.

 

[SoundMixPro]

Prices

Hi Turbochicken
I am sure you are one teacher who teaches for less or know someone who does that. But I am talking about players who play for A-mei, Tanya Chua, Steph Sun. Those already in the circuit. They will never charge anything less than 50.
Well thats my term for a pro musician anyways. Didnt mean to quote ridiculous prices but that is the rate, from their mouths.

Where did my beer go again
Darren

 

[3notesAbar]

Hi Darren, so early drinking ah? lol

Anyway yeah. 50 bucks per lesson. I heard some even charge 100+ per lesson. Dont believe me? Start playing jazz and find out...

 

[mikemann]

I do agree with soundmixpro. Teachers which have higher credibility should command a higher price. Not only because of their experience, also at that rate (still reasonable in my books), they will not fool around too, as their reputation is worth more and at higher stake to maintain.

It's the same as a person climbing the corporate ladder. The person may be doing the same thing 10yrs from now, but due to his experience and reputation, he will command a higher salary, and have more responsibility.

 

[turbochicken]

ah. if you put it that well then i have to agree with you.

but if we were to look around, there are players as skilled as those already touring or recording for the big names, and they charge lesser.

personally, i'd say no to paying for the reputation. it's like nike and newbalance shoes. or yamaha and JnD guitars.

 

[Cheez]

There's is also such a thing as the market rate. If a highly recognised and credible teacher charges really low, he or she will spoil the market rate making the other teachers unhappy. To be ethical, he should not charge unusually low. Of course, he can always do something generous like taking on a student with great potential for free - but these are the exceptional students and not the norm.

 

[Silencer]

my teacher used to charge me 65 per lesson. its ridiculous for 45min, but its well worth it.. teachers who charge more then to be more serious about their material and making sure their students learrn something from them.

 

[Darren]

reputation

Hi TurboChicken
I dont have a template on how to measure skill, but almost everyone can do a 4/4 beat, but why is there still a difference in every player boils down to dynamics, tone, tuning and taste and many more I may have missed out.
Some drummers are what we termed as practiced drummers, while some have affinity to drums. What I think I am paying for is for someone to make me sound good, not just play good. That's the price.
Just take the shuffle beat for instance, Bernard Purdie makes it sound so damn good due to his bounce and dynamics. So does Jeff Porcaro. I can learn the shuffle beat from anyone, even from videos, but who is there to tell me that my bounce is wrong on the accents, only a good experienced player will do. And for that I will pay.
As for choice of drums, its personal. I like my stuff to last quite a few years without warping of shells and good hardware, and needs to sound good thro the mics. But for practice at home, I will buy a rhythm traveller even.

Hee Haa I found my beer, it was in my belly. hahaha

Darren

 

[turbochicken]

yeaup.

and an important factor alot of drummers (any instrument infact) miss out is to play tastefully or develope a personal style you need to play with pple. keep doing that, vary the pple you play with and discover what you can develope into.

as for Cheez,

i posted a thread with regards to spoiling the market and boy, those punks really bring the market down by charging 15bucks per lesson. some give free trial lesson even, which treads on the nerves of reputable or decent teachers.

personally i don't go rock bottom with my charges, but my point is there ARE decent teachers who aren't in the industry and thus charge more affordably.

that aside, you don't stick go one teacher. different teachers contribute to different areas and stages of your playing.

 

[Lifehouse]

I think we Softies shd just start a sticky of recognised guitar teachers in Singapore, such as Beez, Justin Ho or whoever you are qualified and time tested. 8)

 

[FeElDaGrOoVe]

hollage village tat guy izzit? if not then i reco wrong person hehe :wink:

 

[sanXp]

It's just 22 bucks, get on with it.

 

[spitfire_121]

i think the SAFEST way is to ask ur frens to teach u. if u dun haf frens who can play the drums, well...erm make frens? bt surely u haf some frens to teach u the basics. i tink paying so much to get a pro to teach u is a waste of money. u dun need michael shumacher to teach u hw to drive rite? ur frens wont even charge u. mayb u can buy them a drink.

however, if u haf reached a certain level n think that u cant improve further by urself, then its a diff story. juz keep in mind though that there are alot of great drummers out there who are self thought.

 

[zulblu]

yeapp.. maybe just find frends to teach ya.. or just learn urself.. it will take quite a long time..

 

[TylerDrake]

drumming learning techniques

i think the SAFEST way is to ask ur frens to teach u. if u dun haf frens who can play the drums, well...erm make frens? bt surely u haf some frens to teach u the basics.

hmmm... i dunno... i would especially say that the basics are the MOST important part to have taught to u by a professional... but after you know the "basics" playing on your own is a good idea, it jsut will take time to listen etc... getting friends to teach you is risky? they could obviously teach you the wrong thing... if you get the basics wrong EVERYTHING is going to harder... dont advise it

 

[Darren]

basics

No doubt it will be good to just familarise your limbs with the drumkit. Where to place your hands and feet and stuff. That dont need teacher. I would say a good time to get a teacher is when you can do a simple 4/4 beat or 16 note hi-hat beat, thats the time also you wanna start playing songs/ forming a band and stuff.

Darren

 

[Sunnybass]

I have a friend who's really good at drums. I think he's been playing for 14 years already. Anybody who's interested to learn drums please feel free to pm me for his contact. Cheers.