Digital piano advise ?

thx u all for clearing my doubt..

wad do u mean by HALF damper function onli ?

if how much would i hav to top up to get sostenuto pedal and soft pedal ?
hmm bwt sostenuto and soft pedal ? which one u all will choose ?

haha..since lat tt i share wait for few mth more to hav a job to hav enuff $$ to buy a good one =)..~~DEstiny
 
Willfate, soft/sostenuto pedals don't come in the form of what you think it should. What you'll probably see on the keyboard is: 1 damper pedal port, and 1 extra switch pedal port. The damper pedal is actually a switch pedal. On the extra port, it is usually assignable - you can choose to make it soft, sostenuto, or even another damper, or other midi controls. If you want 3 switch pedal ports which will give you damper, soft and sostenuto simulatneously, you may have to get something like a clavinova or a midi controller, which will not suit your needs or budget. Even most midi controllers don't give you more than 2 switch pedal ports. REALLY, how often would you use the sostenuto pedal on a grand piano? As for the soft pedal, the volume fader is more than enough. The digital piano is not meant to replace the acoustic piano in every aspect. If you want something that close to the real thing, then you are looking at an upright digital piano like Clavinova.

Roland FP-2 should be close to $2000. You'll have to call Swee Lee to confirm. Actually, if you don't mind getting speakers, there are other alternatives.

Half damper: pressing the damper pedal half way down. Creates a different effect - used in classical playing. Usual damper pedal is a switch pedal - ie either on or off. For half pedals, the ports now recognise continuous message - hence you can have on, half and off pedal. Most Yamaha P series now have this. If you don't know what it is, you probably wouldn't be using much of it.
 
so i assume , damper / sustain pedal will work well wif most of my score ?
haha no la.. i somehow neeed inbuilt speaker defianetly =)

so half damper will be better den a normal damper ? icic so if i get p70 , it will come wif a half damper pedal ?

haha after hearing ur explaination , i think damper pedal will jus be fine since u said i can adjust mine vol !

wad u mean by On the extra port, it is usually assignable - you can choose to make it soft, sostenuto, or even another damper, or other midi controls. ? u mean the extra output port , i can plug to change to soft , sostenuto ? plug additional pedal or the current damper pedal ? ..~~DEStiny
 
Whether or not the damper pedal will work for most of your score, you should know it best. How often do you actually use the other pedals on an acoustic piano??

My feeling about the half damper thing is that it is over emphasized. First, someone came up with the idea. Then the other manufacturers come up with the same thing so as to not drop behind. There is more to realistic piano sound than half-pedaling. If you look at all the high-end samples, hardly any of them have half-pedaling. Most of them concentrate on number of samples/note and micing. That's more important than half-pedaling. So in my long-winded answer: no - half-pedaling does not mean better than no half-pedaling. For people that serious into piano sound as to want half-pedaling badly, they will better off be using samples. My 2GB piano sample does not have half-pedaling but beats any piano sound any hardware/keyboard can offer.

For the P70, you need to purchase an optional pedal that support half-pedaling. It doesn't come with the unit.

The extra port I mentioned lets you plug in another switch pedal. The port is usually assignable - which means you can program it to any midi cc number. That means I can program the pedal to be a soft pedal, a sostenuto pedal, a sustain pedal, to start or stop my sequencer etc. In fact, if I do use it, I usually use it to start/stop the sequencer. That makes my hands free to play the keyboard. Very useful for live performance situations.
 
iicic so p70 package jus wif a normal sustain pedal ?
do it hav a stand as package or need to buy separately..~~DEStiny
 
Stand separate. Pedal included is the normal switch sustain pedal. And do consider Jazzfish's suggestion.
 
i don't think the damper pedal is very important at all in a digital piano for most applications unless you are going to play classical pieces on it, in which case i would advise you to stick to your 'real' acoustic piano.
 
Have you tried KAWAI (Robert Piano at Millenia Walk)?

Go try the MP4 (the last showroom set in very good condition!) and if you like it and have 2.2K to spare, get it! I liked it but too bad didn't have 2.2K to spare! Else, their ES4 at abt 1.7K is just as good and comparable to the big wigs of synth music.

Check out specs:
http://www.kawaius.com/main_links/digital/06_dpmain.htm

And I thought the big wigs offered the best till I walked into that store. Go try them. Remember - piano feel is very personal. Like what you feel and hear, not what you only know. As a grade 8-ther, I think you should know that.

Have fun shopping! :D
 
Yes, Kawai digital pianos are really one of the best in touch, but not in sound. I'm glad to hear that have the MP4 finally. Hope they bring in the MP8. Silverbeast, how do you find the sound?

But then, I don't think it's what he is looking for. Firstly, MP4 doesn't have build-in speakers. Second, it is higher than his budget. If he doesn't mind not having speakers, I would have also suggested the RD300SX and a few others.
 
Hey guys realie appreaciate for all ur advise !

till nw , i think i better concentrate well on my studies well 1st , before getting a job to work to buy a high end digital piano , meanwhile my aunt might jus buy for mi if not i shall earn my own $$

but i still need urs advise recommend to get a most suitable one for mi , yeap true enuff ,i expect a good touch feeling as well as sound quality..haha i still noob to digital piano , hope u all realie can help mi in it !

haha okae.. so normal switch sustain pedal will be jus fine rite? haha yeap i do ply some classic score too as well.. i hav thought off , since digital piano can adjust it vol etc , i might realie can ignore the soft pedal =) am i right ?

do digital piano still hav resale value ? where can go to sell them off ! ..~~DEStiny
 
Well Cheez, by the standards of my untrained ear and with simple needs in mind, it's good enough for me and I love the feel. Primarily, it has got a good set of APs and EPs (espeically the FM EP!). What's more, for that clearance price in that fresh-out-of-the-box condition, I'd say grab it! But too bad, I can't eat into my baby's "milk powder money"! :lol:

Anyway, if budget is of concern, can always try the ES which has built in speakers. At the end of the day, each of us must like what we hear and feel before making a purchase.
 
I've not tried it, but a few things about it already gives me negative feelings - 1. 32 note polyphony, 2. ribbon controllers instead of wheel, 3. not multi-timbral. I can see it running out of polyphony very quickly when layering sounds - or is it actually even possible to play 2 sounds? As for the controllers, it's personal preference. Ribbon controllers doesn't work for me. For the mod wheel, I can see where the last position is; I will not be able to see where the last position is on a ribbon controller. I can foresee loads of problems using it already. Ribbon controller is best for those unusual eletronic sounds. But putting that on a "stage piano" (when bread-and-butter sounds are the most important)...I've got no idea what Kurzweil is thinking about.

I'm not exactly sure if you can play layered sounds on it (ie more than 2 sounds) because it is not multi-timbral. The specs do say that it has "split" and "layered combinations" when being "used as a controller". That may mean it can trigger split and layer functions on external modules (controller function), but not necessary on itself since it is inherently not multi-timbral. Perhaps people who tried it or own it can confirm this.

If it is not multi-timbral, then 32 note polyphony may make sense since it is less likely to run out of notes - ie if the programming does not have more than 1 element. If they include 2 wav elements in one sound, you'll hit polyphony problems.
 
what is the use of ribbon controllers ?
what is multi-timbral?
32 note polyphony meaning ?
polyphony problems like wad ?

of coz sound quality is impt to mi ! does it come wif inbuilt speaker ? ..~~DEStiny
 
1. Multi-timbral means the ability for the instrument to have 2 or more different sounds playing at the same time (timbre = voice). Standard synth comes as 16-part multi-timbral to correspond with the number of channels in midi. 16-part multi-timbral will enable you to play standard midi files on the keyboard or other sequenced tracks. Many stage and digital pianos are at least 2-part multi-timbral - so it lets you layer 2 sounds at the same time (eg piano + strings).

2. Polyphony = the max number of notes a keyboard can play at one instance. If a keyboard is 32 note polyphonic, it can only have 32 notes sounding at any one time. If you hit the 33rd note, one note will get cut off suddenly creating an undesirable effect. 32 notes sounds like a lot, but for complex piano pieces (and when you use the sustain pedal), you easily hit 32 notes. Simple pieces should be OK. Sometimes, depending on the keyboard, one sound may have 2 or more sound elements in it - to achieve a certain effect. If one sound has 2 sound elements, you only need to hit 16 notes before running out of polyphony in a 32-note polyphonic synth. Most keyboards are at least 64 note polyphony. We are seeing more and more 128 note polyphonic keyboards. But of course, many of these keyboards uses up to 4 elements per voice, which means the real polyphony is lower. But having more polyphony allows one to layer more sounds to achieve more complex effects and/or more realism.

3. Controllers come in various forms. The 2 most standard ones in synths control: 1. pitch bend and 2. modulation. Pitch bend, as the name implies, bends the pitch of a note. Standard programming bends the note up and down a tone depending whether you move the controller up or down. You can program it to bend more than a tone - up to a few octaves if you like. Pitch bend is usually spring loaded - ie when you let go, it springs back into the original resting position. Modulation controller is set to whatever parameters you want to. It usually controls LFO (oscillators) but can be set to anything you like (volume etc, or even pitch bend). It is usually not spring loaded. We use it to add vibrato, change timbre of a sound, add the leslie effect to a Hammond organ etc. I find it indispensable to a keyboardist.

Now pitch bend and mod wheels come in various form. One is the wheel form, of which I'm most used to. It can also come as the stick form, of which most Roland keyboards adopted (which I don't quite like). Of course, there's the ribbon form. In the ribbon form, it looks like the wheel but of course, without the wheel itself. It is touch senstive and you control it by simply putting your fingers on it and moving it up and down (or left and right, depending on how it is aligned). In electronic music when you program the mod controller to certain parameters, the ribbon controller is quite helpful (since you can switch between extreme poles very quickly by a touch of a finger). For digital piano, we don't usually do that. We usually change the modulation gradually.

That's my "short" answer to your questions. I think if the SP88X is not multi-timbral, it will also only use 1 element in a voice since by definition, it cannot have 2 or more elements. That means:

1. you can play simple pieces without running into polyphony problems (but don't think about playing Rachmaninoff or Debussy, or other complex pieces).

2. Using only one element in a voice means the sound is only as good as the raw sampled wave, since they cannot layer more sounds to make it more realistic. That can be done, provided a lot of RAM is dedicated to the raw waveform, which is usually not so in hardware. So I'm assuming the sounds in the SP88X to be thinner and not as good as other keyboards, but I may be proved wrong. Not having heard it, I can only go be speculation, which is not fair to the keyboard. So you have to listen to the keyboard and compare with others to judge for yourself.
 
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