culture over music
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GrimBrody
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u must be referring to the adolescent teens struggling to "find" themselves.
haha..i think we were all there once.
well not all of em are like that. by culture u mean, lookin like an angry skinhead is cool but deep inside they can't connect to the oi! music and instead they have belinda carlisle's cd on their hifi. heh. i noe one guy who's like that. :?
music is the most general subject on earth. culture has, for most of us, somewhat become a "trend" and i am not saying that all teens are like that, but most of them are.
let's say, you start off idolising the grunge culture, so you start wearing year old unwashed jeans, tattered, the classic checkered flannels, the unruly hair...the canvas shoes..behavioural wise, if you're allowed to smoke weed or get drunk then i guess you'd be doing it too...
you start to learn the guitar in an effort to be like mr Cobain, or Eddie Vedder..you jam their songs..
and suddenly grunge died.(or so called faded away from pop culture)
next thing you noe, you're moving on to indie. bell bottoms, shades, beatles mop hair, and your guitar playing skills move on to playing covers of my vitriol, verve's earlier materials, stone roses..
my point being...music and culture..very fine line between them. it all depends on how u progress musically or culturally..(if thats a word
)
some progress musically and excel from that particular culture they followed cos as we all know.... different cultures spawn different musical genres.
but then again...not all of us are like that. :wink:
haha..i think we were all there once.
well not all of em are like that. by culture u mean, lookin like an angry skinhead is cool but deep inside they can't connect to the oi! music and instead they have belinda carlisle's cd on their hifi. heh. i noe one guy who's like that. :?
music is the most general subject on earth. culture has, for most of us, somewhat become a "trend" and i am not saying that all teens are like that, but most of them are.
let's say, you start off idolising the grunge culture, so you start wearing year old unwashed jeans, tattered, the classic checkered flannels, the unruly hair...the canvas shoes..behavioural wise, if you're allowed to smoke weed or get drunk then i guess you'd be doing it too...
you start to learn the guitar in an effort to be like mr Cobain, or Eddie Vedder..you jam their songs..
and suddenly grunge died.(or so called faded away from pop culture)
next thing you noe, you're moving on to indie. bell bottoms, shades, beatles mop hair, and your guitar playing skills move on to playing covers of my vitriol, verve's earlier materials, stone roses..
my point being...music and culture..very fine line between them. it all depends on how u progress musically or culturally..(if thats a word
)some progress musically and excel from that particular culture they followed cos as we all know.... different cultures spawn different musical genres.
but then again...not all of us are like that. :wink:
headwan
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yuh gd point u hav there.....recently, i chatted with this gal in mirc who was picking a fight to a guy who say,"heavy metal,death metal,black metal sucks."im a fan of those type metal...but i don feel offended.wat i felt a bit sickening abt is tat this gal say tat the guy hav no rite to screw metal music and she say tat guy don even noe metal culture.i pointly asked her wat is metal culture....there were no reply.
another gal whom i use to know,very sweet,very decent coincident met in chat was into tis type of music....i asked her does she still listen to other type of music other then death metal,she say no and i asked her y,"death metal musician hate those type of songs!"i asked;" how do u know?"her reply;"is written in interview?"my words...do they actually trust those guy when don actually know those guys equally...i come to think again..if culture tells them to eat S**t,will they do tat..
another gal whom i use to know,very sweet,very decent coincident met in chat was into tis type of music....i asked her does she still listen to other type of music other then death metal,she say no and i asked her y,"death metal musician hate those type of songs!"i asked;" how do u know?"her reply;"is written in interview?"my words...do they actually trust those guy when don actually know those guys equally...i come to think again..if culture tells them to eat S**t,will they do tat..
afterdeath
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hmmm........ the percentage is quite high....... n wat u said is quite true....... i remembered years back when metal was in, some of my peers wore........ acted likde 'em....... when grunge was in, these same group did the same things...... n they did the same when the music scene kept on changing.......
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GrimBrody
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exactly..
it all depends on how u decide to define yourself to the world. its either you're a culturalist or a musician.
musicians wise...i think since music is a general language, it should span everything. i know a few die hard metal guitarists who have frank sinatra in their mp3 playlists. they chug and shred children of bodom but they can confess to listening to Dave Matthews. simply cos its music.
to the culturalists...the all too common quote is "i listen to metal/ska/punk therefore all other music genres suck. i also think that metal/ska/punk is the best concept for myself therefore i will spend my money in an effort to look like them"
:roll:
it all depends on how u decide to define yourself to the world. its either you're a culturalist or a musician.
musicians wise...i think since music is a general language, it should span everything. i know a few die hard metal guitarists who have frank sinatra in their mp3 playlists. they chug and shred children of bodom but they can confess to listening to Dave Matthews. simply cos its music.
to the culturalists...the all too common quote is "i listen to metal/ska/punk therefore all other music genres suck. i also think that metal/ska/punk is the best concept for myself therefore i will spend my money in an effort to look like them"
:roll:
parablue74
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If that's how culturalist are defined, then i'll say culturalist suck!!!!
Personally, i think culture is just as much our influences caused by our environment. There is a negligible few who would yearn for the hippie 70's style nowadays since our environment wouldn't influence us that way. But if we were borne in the era, we would probably make music with that style and dress in that bell-bottom fashion.
A lot of musicians i believe would have had a one-sided bias point of view in terms of music at certain phases of their lives. It just take them more understanding and maturity before they understand what music and culture is all about.
Music is born out of culture and culture is also born out of music. Only when musicians start to expand their musicality do they expand their influences. And in doing so, they would start to open their mind to other perceptions.
We are in no obligations to suit a certain culture when we are playing a certain style of music, it's the fans that dominate what they want to believe in and so the musicians/artist display that kinda image. So what if a metal musician is going to listen to Frank Sinatra, does that define whether he understands or is engraved in the metal culture? I think this is just one of those society myths or stereo typing as one would call it. I would rather be glad that the metal musician listens to Sinatra, he's expanding his influences.
It works like this, many times we sit in one place to long that we think we've seen it all, actually our eyes are so afix that we are looking at it too close that we miss out the big picture, it's only when we get out of that view can we turn back and view it properly. For a metalist, by listening to other music, does he/she really understand metal.
PS: James Hetfield of Metallica is actually a country guitarist.
Personally, i think culture is just as much our influences caused by our environment. There is a negligible few who would yearn for the hippie 70's style nowadays since our environment wouldn't influence us that way. But if we were borne in the era, we would probably make music with that style and dress in that bell-bottom fashion.
A lot of musicians i believe would have had a one-sided bias point of view in terms of music at certain phases of their lives. It just take them more understanding and maturity before they understand what music and culture is all about.
Music is born out of culture and culture is also born out of music. Only when musicians start to expand their musicality do they expand their influences. And in doing so, they would start to open their mind to other perceptions.
We are in no obligations to suit a certain culture when we are playing a certain style of music, it's the fans that dominate what they want to believe in and so the musicians/artist display that kinda image. So what if a metal musician is going to listen to Frank Sinatra, does that define whether he understands or is engraved in the metal culture? I think this is just one of those society myths or stereo typing as one would call it. I would rather be glad that the metal musician listens to Sinatra, he's expanding his influences.
It works like this, many times we sit in one place to long that we think we've seen it all, actually our eyes are so afix that we are looking at it too close that we miss out the big picture, it's only when we get out of that view can we turn back and view it properly. For a metalist, by listening to other music, does he/she really understand metal.
PS: James Hetfield of Metallica is actually a country guitarist.
