Circle Of fifths

[Mr_KeyboardMan]

Speaking of CIRCLE OF FIFTH, i just came back from jamming few hours ago to practise for band performance

Then i and the saxophonist in my Band did a little light jazz jamming ... I experimentaly uses the circle of fifths progression ....

This is my own impro (so no copyright or watsoeva) and sounds good with the piano and jam with saxophone .,,, please try this on the guitar or anything ... see whether nice oso or not

CM7 >>> FM9 >>>> Bb7 >>>> EbM9 >>>> Ab6 >>>> DbM9 >>>> Gbm7 >>>> B7 >>>> Em >>>> Asus4 >>> A >>>> Dm7 >>>> F/G >>>> CM7


ha ha ha ... another use of circle of fifth .. this come from the anyhow-whack method ...

 

[hofner]

ok i get it now...thx doctor , thx keyboard and thx to James.

 

[bongman]

cycle or circle ???

halo ALL,

is it CYCLE of 5th or CIRCLE of 5th ah ???

i still can't get it ???

i so blur, blur like sotong, how to jam butter bread ???

 

[veganbleu]

And Vegan, who appointed you the absolute authority on what or what isn't' the "circle of of 5ths' and it's uses? Certainly not me!

~Dr. AXE

Absolutely no one. But

If you know your major scale and intervals, you don't need a silly chart to help you figure out the 4ths and 5ths to any note or key.

doesn't answer contribute to anything. And implies that the circle of 5ths is used for figuring out 4ths and 5ths.

 

[DoctorAxe]

Absolutely no one.

Geez, I'm pleased you cleared that up!!

So, by your confirmation you possess no authority whatsoever regarding music theory. By this admission, we can further extrapolate any comments made by you concerning music theory should not be taken as gospel, as implied by the tone and character of your various diatribes.

I'm sure we all can sleep a lot better now having this revelation.

 

[veganbleu]

Howsoever you may construe this, i'm certainly glad the royal pronoun we exists as an integral part of your vocabulary. Perchance you might explain how the circle of 5ths relates to 4ths as you implied?

 

[DoctorAxe]

Perchance you might explain how the circle of 5ths relates to 4ths as you implied?

My, how the incompetence flows...

Ok, not that I feel I owe you anything but for the benefit of the other readers regarding the "circle of fifths" or otherwise known as "the cycle (circle) of fourths"

Choose any note or key around the circle of fifths and moving in a clock-wise direction, the following note/key is a perfect 5th. Going anti-clockwise from the chosen note/key, the prior note/key is a perfect 4th. It doesn't require a rocket scientist to figure this out.

Contrary to some others' comments, the "circle of fifths" primary purpose relates to the way key signatures are written, which tells us how many sharps or flats to play.

C major has no sharps or flats
G major has one sharp (F#)
D major has 2 sharps (F# and C#)

If we carry on finding the keys with 3, 4, 5 sharps we find that the next key in the series is a 5th higher than the previous one. So when we start with C major, go up a 5th to G major, then up a 5th to D, then A and so on.

If you start at the top again and move anti-clockwise, you will progress through the flat keys. In flat keys, the new flat is always the fourth degree of the new key.

But, if you are proficient with sight-reading standard notation, then this whole chart nonsense is quite redundant and unnecessary. For the novice musician, it might help understanding the "perfect" intervals (root, 4th, 5th & octave) within any major key/scale, but that's about it.

Furthermore, Mr. Wise-guy....I never implied anything. I flat-out provided an educated and experienced opinion. Unlike you, I never criticized nor tried to debunk anyone else's posted comments.

The next time you want to blatantly insult another poster's remarks, you damn well better be sure of what you're talking about. Better still, convey what you mean in terms that most of these readers can comprehend, instead of using terminology that further confuses the context and point.

Now, I have much better things to do than spend my time spewing theory over the net. I am usually paid for this from my student clientele.

Ciao baby!

~Dr.Axe

 

[soft]

DoctorAxe

i got your PM about me censoring your post on the use of cicle of fifth is by "crappy composers". I understand that you are an experienced guitar teacher but please be nice to fellow forums users.

veganbleu has been contributing to the forum/website by providing help to many members be it answering questions or info on musical gears.

I sincerely hope that SOFT will continue to be a cool place for everyone to share their knowledge.

James

 

[veganbleu]

Thanks soft, yep information and ideas should be free, so i contribute however i can.

The reason that i don't view the circle of 5ths as a method on how to write key signatures is because i don't write key signatures. The method of defining the number of flats or sharps as an indication of key is simply a means of notation, just like A is defined to be 440Hz. So to me the main use of the circle is to provide a qualitative gauge on how key modulation will affect a piece. Such as modulating from C maj to F#maj is a more severe modulation than from Cmaj to Gmaj. But of course transitioning from one key to the next is a different story.

Personally i kind of like Mr_KeyboardMan's definitiively more informative posts.

 

[DoctorAxe]

Soft

I’m sorry but I have no patience for inept fools, particularly when they tell me I’m wrong and I bloody well know I’m right. Normally, I am usually quite ‘nice’ to everyone but I take adamant exception to being insulted.

It’s great that you have people that contribute freely and often. However, what good is input that is ambiguous at best and absurd at worst? This does more damage than good. Numerous contributions are meaningless if the information conveyed is faulty or unclear and indistinct.

If you are looking at primarily numbers and a quantitative measurement for success, then of course, quality will suffer. And ultimately, that will become your and the site’s collapse and disgrace. Think about that.

~Dr.Axe

 

[soft]

However, what good is input that is ambiguous at best and absurd at worst?
~Dr.Axe

can you point out which part of the post is ambiguous and absurd?

 

[penta-tonic]

music is for any1 out there la. if we wanna call it wat we want dun we haf de rite to? as if any of u created music. lol. a simple passion of de guitar dats all we need to get along. i dun see any point in showing whos superior. i wonder y i havent heard any of u guys on local market yet if ur so damned gd. n de best r always de most humble btw.

 

[AlexiLaiho]

music is for any1 out there la. if we wanna call it wat we want dun we haf de rite to? as if any of u created music. lol. a simple passion of de guitar dats all we need to get along. i dun see any point in showing whos superior. i wonder y i havent heard any of u guys on local market yet if ur so damned gd. n de best r always de most humble btw.

stop speaking like an ah lian

 

[vernplum]

I think he sent in that message by SMS.

 

[ChanMin]

HAHAHAHAHAhahah :twisted: wah lao... gd stuff man.

 

[marshall_law]

You don't really know the circle of fifths thoroughly. Just know how it works and the purpose, you're off to go. But seriously, circle of fifths is really important to get all the basic right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_of_fifths

http://www.torvund.net/guitar/Theory/23-Circle_of_fifth.asp

http://cnx.rice.edu/content/m10865/latest/