Chopin's Fantaisie-Impromptu in C-sharp minor Op. 66
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kelvinchongyh
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likewise...but the earlier parts and later parts are the main struggle. the middle's alright
i know i'll sound very erm ...... cocky
but it's not that difficult ..... almost all of my classmate will be able to play that one
sorry ... =) ... cuz i'm majoring in classical piano performance .... so the stuff that i play is way harder than that ... so i dunno how to answer this except ... I can
if u think that i'm those kind that say only can't play ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I14CudSMFv4
watch this and judge urself whether i can play that one or not ....
but sorry ... i dun have any recording of me playin that particular fantasie ...
ps: .... bongman .. no worries .... all things is doable with practice =)
but it's not that difficult ..... almost all of my classmate will be able to play that one
sorry ... =) ... cuz i'm majoring in classical piano performance .... so the stuff that i play is way harder than that ... so i dunno how to answer this except ... I can
if u think that i'm those kind that say only can't play ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I14CudSMFv4
watch this and judge urself whether i can play that one or not ....
but sorry ... i dun have any recording of me playin that particular fantasie ...
ps: .... bongman .. no worries .... all things is doable with practice =)
kelvinchongyh
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for classical musicians, i guess it aint too bad...but for a contemporary keyboard player, this piece my friend is a nightmare haha...
i hate the ending part...damn hard to play consistently urgghh but then again i've separated myself with classical music a long long time ago
i hate the ending part...damn hard to play consistently urgghh but then again i've separated myself with classical music a long long time ago
Cheez
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Well done. For classical performers, it's no problem of course. Many of my friends could do it too. Too bad I don't have time to practice. I'll be very happy now if I have my occasional Saturdays to practice my Chopin and Beethoven.
I think many of my friends who could do it (that was when I was in Secondary school about 20 years ago) probably couldn't do it now. We were all in the MEP then. But only a handful of us turned out to become full-time musicians and performers (I believe only 2 of us - one in SSO now and the other a music Prof in the States and performing in the orchestra there). And they weren't even pianists - a violinist and a saxophonist. The rest of us (mostly pianists) - we ended up everywhere else! About a third of us became doctors though.
I think many of my friends who could do it (that was when I was in Secondary school about 20 years ago) probably couldn't do it now. We were all in the MEP then. But only a handful of us turned out to become full-time musicians and performers (I believe only 2 of us - one in SSO now and the other a music Prof in the States and performing in the orchestra there). And they weren't even pianists - a violinist and a saxophonist. The rest of us (mostly pianists) - we ended up everywhere else! About a third of us became doctors though.
bongman
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wow! what is MEP ?
music elective programme?
I sotong lah, very ignorant.
well, I do have a friend right now in SSO
he also the first batch of music elective programme.
few years back he was 4th violinist,
now maybe 1st or 2nd ?
He spent his entire savings few years back to further his
music studies in US under some great US violinist.
His Dad is a famous 60s harmonica player and his
mom is a piano teacher. his siblings all musician as well.
SSO musicians practice everyday from 9am-1pm, then
the rest of the time, they go home and practice at home.
That's a SSO classical musician life !!!
at night they teach or do other parttime work.
Performance is every 2 weeeks.?
Cheez belongs to the top 1% of the Singapore society.
Doctors and professional musicians, that's something.
Myself just enjoying what I have,
now listening to Nigel Kennedy Four Seasons.
happen to browse through the score at Kinokumiya some time back,
maybe will do a MIDI sequence of the Four Seasons using my setup,
that'll be interesting rather than the doing the usual Top40 stuff.
maybe also will do some JS Bach 2-3 parts invention
just like Wendy Carolos.
music elective programme?
I sotong lah, very ignorant.
well, I do have a friend right now in SSO
he also the first batch of music elective programme.
few years back he was 4th violinist,
now maybe 1st or 2nd ?
He spent his entire savings few years back to further his
music studies in US under some great US violinist.
His Dad is a famous 60s harmonica player and his
mom is a piano teacher. his siblings all musician as well.
SSO musicians practice everyday from 9am-1pm, then
the rest of the time, they go home and practice at home.
That's a SSO classical musician life !!!
at night they teach or do other parttime work.
Performance is every 2 weeeks.?
Cheez belongs to the top 1% of the Singapore society.
Doctors and professional musicians, that's something.
Myself just enjoying what I have,
now listening to Nigel Kennedy Four Seasons.
happen to browse through the score at Kinokumiya some time back,
maybe will do a MIDI sequence of the Four Seasons using my setup,
that'll be interesting rather than the doing the usual Top40 stuff.
maybe also will do some JS Bach 2-3 parts invention
just like Wendy Carolos.
=)
nigel's four season's is VERY INTERESTING! .. hahaah
and it's even more interesting to see his performance on DVD ....
all of my classmates ..... mostly 100% will be piano teacher in the end and only about 10-20% will occasionally perform ...... 5-10% will have accompaniment job and quite frequent performance ...
that's how it will end for a classical pianist .....
teacher at music school ... or better is, become famous private teacher ...
or even better become lecturer and teach at conservatory ....
but all of em is teacher .... lolx ...
for me, i stray away and try my luck in contemporary (more fun anyway)
cuz i dun wanna depends my life and income on teaching .....
ps: MEP = Music Eanyhow Programme ? =P
nigel's four season's is VERY INTERESTING! .. hahaah
and it's even more interesting to see his performance on DVD ....
all of my classmates ..... mostly 100% will be piano teacher in the end and only about 10-20% will occasionally perform ...... 5-10% will have accompaniment job and quite frequent performance ...
that's how it will end for a classical pianist .....
teacher at music school ... or better is, become famous private teacher ...
or even better become lecturer and teach at conservatory ....
but all of em is teacher .... lolx ...
for me, i stray away and try my luck in contemporary (more fun anyway)
cuz i dun wanna depends my life and income on teaching .....
ps: MEP = Music Eanyhow Programme ? =P
Cheez
Moderator
Yes, becoming a performer for a pianist is not easy. Hard competition out there. Actually, when I was younger, I wasn't thinking much of piano knowing that competition is great. I was more hoping I would become a trumpeter in SSO.
Anyway, the only real prodigy in our mix was this guy I mentioned. In Sec 4, he already got a dip in violin and grade 8 in flute (I think he got the dip in violin before secondary school). He was already playing the sax very well. Now, he's prof in Eastman School of music for sax and performing quite a bit. Makes me wonder sometimes why I didn't practice my trumpet more...
Hey pianoex, out of curiousity, how many pianists graduate each year from your school?
Anyway, the only real prodigy in our mix was this guy I mentioned. In Sec 4, he already got a dip in violin and grade 8 in flute (I think he got the dip in violin before secondary school). He was already playing the sax very well. Now, he's prof in Eastman School of music for sax and performing quite a bit. Makes me wonder sometimes why I didn't practice my trumpet more...
Hey pianoex, out of curiousity, how many pianists graduate each year from your school?
bongman
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no need to envy me, you the doctor earning big bucks
everybody envies
I have a photographer friend who is in the profession for 10 years,
now he says technology is killing his trade. Although he earns a 5-figure
salary, he says he got no more passion after 10 years of shoot, now all going for the dollar !!!
I have more time to play music becos I'm stuck in a IT shift work routine.
I guess I'm lucky in a way but I'll rather have more time for myself than to slog my life away.
that's why I always envy musicians
becos they enjoy what they do,
they enjoy every minute of it
and the best thing - get paid for it !!!
I have that Chopin's score too!
I have a Grammophone album of Chopin's Nocturne's someone given to me as gift. I think the mastering very lousy, the recording pianist is the famous Daniel Barenboim. The best non-HDCD mastering of a common commercially price classical album I have heard is an old album from Slovnenia Ljubljana and T'ang Quartet's Made in America.
But at the end, I gave up piano because I find most piano music a bit soft, good as nachtmusik though.
Of all the piano pieces I love Beethoven's Sonata Appassionata and Liszt Mephisto Waltz best. The pace of those pieces is very vibrant.
I think La Capenella is also good for pianist to practise octave staccato jumps. I felt my fingers like a bunch bananas when I practised this very young.
I used to play it in the ancient days. But I have since switched to listen to hip hop, pop Stradivarius, Claude Challe, electronic effects.
Btw, I have a concert version score of Richard Addinsell's Warschauer Konzert which I bought many years ago from Vienna, I am interested to sell if anybody is interested. Just a trivial quote here, so don't move this post, I am not really actively posting it for sale, cos I tried to once, then give up.
I am now looking for this German film (Das Leben der Anderen) 's title song, "Sonana for Good Man" composed by Gabriel Yared.
It was played only a few(!) seconds in the film. If anyone has a link to hear this, appreciate very much.
I have a Grammophone album of Chopin's Nocturne's someone given to me as gift. I think the mastering very lousy, the recording pianist is the famous Daniel Barenboim. The best non-HDCD mastering of a common commercially price classical album I have heard is an old album from Slovnenia Ljubljana and T'ang Quartet's Made in America.
But at the end, I gave up piano because I find most piano music a bit soft, good as nachtmusik though.
Of all the piano pieces I love Beethoven's Sonata Appassionata and Liszt Mephisto Waltz best. The pace of those pieces is very vibrant.
I think La Capenella is also good for pianist to practise octave staccato jumps. I felt my fingers like a bunch bananas when I practised this very young.
I used to play it in the ancient days. But I have since switched to listen to hip hop, pop Stradivarius, Claude Challe, electronic effects.
Btw, I have a concert version score of Richard Addinsell's Warschauer Konzert which I bought many years ago from Vienna, I am interested to sell if anybody is interested. Just a trivial quote here, so don't move this post, I am not really actively posting it for sale, cos I tried to once, then give up.
I am now looking for this German film (Das Leben der Anderen) 's title song, "Sonana for Good Man" composed by Gabriel Yared.
It was played only a few(!) seconds in the film. If anyone has a link to hear this, appreciate very much.
Dear all,
Just in case any of you missed this.
Some weeks ago ST reported a professional hotel pianist only earns about S$2000 a month, I think playing in a 4(?)-star hotel, and now facing foreign talented piano players who are willing to play for less salary, you can imagine the downware pressure on the wage.
Teach music or music technology or do music at events can earn more money, this is for sure !
Just in case any of you missed this.
Some weeks ago ST reported a professional hotel pianist only earns about S$2000 a month, I think playing in a 4(?)-star hotel, and now facing foreign talented piano players who are willing to play for less salary, you can imagine the downware pressure on the wage.
Teach music or music technology or do music at events can earn more money, this is for sure !
Dear Cheez,
I saw your posting.
It is a long-time fact there are more jobs for strings than pianists in orchestras. For every possibly available job for a pianist performer, there are more possible vacancies for strings (violin/viola/cello/dbcello etc).
In concert houses business, it seems to me piano performers can only do solo performance with the orchestra accompaniment. Most of the other times of performances where no piano is featured, strings people will always be required.
Hence I think violinist stand better chance of find work in orchestra than pianists in a classical music career.
I saw your posting.
It is a long-time fact there are more jobs for strings than pianists in orchestras. For every possibly available job for a pianist performer, there are more possible vacancies for strings (violin/viola/cello/dbcello etc).
In concert houses business, it seems to me piano performers can only do solo performance with the orchestra accompaniment. Most of the other times of performances where no piano is featured, strings people will always be required.
Hence I think violinist stand better chance of find work in orchestra than pianists in a classical music career.
Cheez
Moderator
Yes, agree. That's has always been the case. That's why I'm interested to find out how many pianists graduate from music schools nowadays. If they are all going to be piano teachers, I wonder whether piano teachers will become saturated.
I don't know whether this will influence the choice of instruments in the future. But I doubt it though. This is a problem since ages past. And we still have people learning piano. But interestingly, people may learn it for different reasons. I have a relative. Son is in the gifted class. He's not going to be a full-time musician of course. But the parents got him to take up piano to boost his portfolio in the future - sort of "all rounded development" kind of thing. Anyway, he's only 12-13. Pressure.....
Maybe we should start another thread on "why do you take up your instrument?" :wink:
I don't know whether this will influence the choice of instruments in the future. But I doubt it though. This is a problem since ages past. And we still have people learning piano. But interestingly, people may learn it for different reasons. I have a relative. Son is in the gifted class. He's not going to be a full-time musician of course. But the parents got him to take up piano to boost his portfolio in the future - sort of "all rounded development" kind of thing. Anyway, he's only 12-13. Pressure.....
Maybe we should start another thread on "why do you take up your instrument?" :wink:
I think need more audiologists and doctors sooner. These days a lot of people go deaf younger, maybe need hearing aid.
Not only that, industrial environment motor noise is causing environmental and problems to workers. There's a lot more construction sites these days.
Just like so many people need spectacles.
Not only that, industrial environment motor noise is causing environmental and problems to workers. There's a lot more construction sites these days.
Just like so many people need spectacles.
DoubleBlade
New member
Cheez : There's already a thread called "The Motive" on the kopitiam section which talks about why you pick up your instrument.
Another thing is , correct me if I'm wrong but I'm just saying what I've heard from my piano teacher with regards to saturation of piano teachers.
Apparently now , music schools are doing more quality control and becoming more meritocratic. Gone are the days where any tom dick and harry grade 8 cert holder can land themselves a teaching job in music schools. My piano teacher told me that now music schools are imposing policies when hiring music teachers. You get a pass for grade 8 , 45% of your hourly pay goes back to the school , you get a merit for grade 8 , 25% of your hourly pay goes back to the school and if you get a distinction for grade 8 , you get 100% of your hourly pay. It's something like that lah....
I think this kind of policy is geared towards the saturation of piano teachers. Why should music schools impose such policies no such reason right? There's definitely got to be reason behind it and I think it's because of the saturation of music teachers.
Oh I think we should start a ,"Why did your mom force you to take up piano?" thread instead of "Why did you take up piano?" :lol:
No offence to pianists out there but there was once I was in Yamaha TM and there was this lady standing beside me browsing throught some music books and she was like ,"Ehhh boy ah....how your scales? You know your broken chords or not? How much did you get for your previous test? You need to work on your theory you know!" The boy was more interested in looking at his Pokemon cards and was like ,"uhhhh yaa....uhhhh dunnno" and then later a group of kids probably about 8 year olds came rushing towards the shelves and they were like ,"Ehhh.....the grade 4 scale book is out already!!!! Yay!!!! Mommy mommy....the book come already!!!!"
Very contrasting indeed..... :roll:
Another thing is , correct me if I'm wrong but I'm just saying what I've heard from my piano teacher with regards to saturation of piano teachers.
Apparently now , music schools are doing more quality control and becoming more meritocratic. Gone are the days where any tom dick and harry grade 8 cert holder can land themselves a teaching job in music schools. My piano teacher told me that now music schools are imposing policies when hiring music teachers. You get a pass for grade 8 , 45% of your hourly pay goes back to the school , you get a merit for grade 8 , 25% of your hourly pay goes back to the school and if you get a distinction for grade 8 , you get 100% of your hourly pay. It's something like that lah....
I think this kind of policy is geared towards the saturation of piano teachers. Why should music schools impose such policies no such reason right? There's definitely got to be reason behind it and I think it's because of the saturation of music teachers.
Oh I think we should start a ,"Why did your mom force you to take up piano?" thread instead of "Why did you take up piano?" :lol:
No offence to pianists out there but there was once I was in Yamaha TM and there was this lady standing beside me browsing throught some music books and she was like ,"Ehhh boy ah....how your scales? You know your broken chords or not? How much did you get for your previous test? You need to work on your theory you know!" The boy was more interested in looking at his Pokemon cards and was like ,"uhhhh yaa....uhhhh dunnno" and then later a group of kids probably about 8 year olds came rushing towards the shelves and they were like ,"Ehhh.....the grade 4 scale book is out already!!!! Yay!!!! Mommy mommy....the book come already!!!!"
Very contrasting indeed..... :roll:
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