Anyone for a little more competition in the scene?

[tim098]

After reading the 'best band in singapore thread' which was OBVIOUSLY not something to be taken seriously - (for those who ridiculously took it too seriously and started commenting harshly), anyway after that thread I came to thinking.

What is wrong with a little competition in the music scene? One band saying they are better than another; it isn't a sin, I do not see anything inhumane about it. If anything at all I only think it can improve the pathetic state of the scene.

1. It makes it more interesting, thus allowing the scene to receive more attention from other people. With more public attention, there is VERY likely to be more turn out at gigs. (proper gigs with proper bands of course).

2. It could even help increase the quality of the band's music. For example band A has this mini 'rivalry' with band B. A has a better single than B, but B's recording quality is impeccable, and one-ups A. A is then furious, and decides to re-record, and match B's quality. A THEN gets their song preferred to than B. Both bands gain some sort of recognition/publicity.

If things like this aren't considered good for a scene here then seriously, I give up trying to make it a better place.

Remember the world doesn't have to be all pussy-like to each other and have a perpetual sense of 'You are better than me, O famous locally renowned musicians'

 

[optisailor2002]

2. It could even help increase the quality of the band's music. For example band A has this mini 'rivalry' with band B. A has a better single than B, but B's recording quality is impeccable, and one-ups A. A is then furious, and decides to re-record, and match B's quality. A THEN gets their song preferred to than B. Both bands gain some sort of recognition/publicity.

lol reminds me of Ayreon and Avantasia's "rivalry". Tobias Sammet wasnt happy that Arjen got Bruce Dickinson to record for him, and Arjen wasnt happy that Tobias got Alice Cooper to record for him. and coincidentally, both the latest Ayreon and Avantasia albums were released on the same date, which made it seem even more like a rivalry.

it was a "rivalry" which led to something good in the end: Ayreon and Avantasia collaborated on one mini ep: Elected (which was supposedly almost named Ayreon Vs. Avantasia).

who says competition has to be a bad thing?

unless bands are competing to see which band can earn more money, then thats a different thing.

 

[tim098]

In many threads to date, it has been implied that competition between bands here in singapore is something of a taboo. Just look at the recently locked thread 'best band in singapore' for example.

 

[optisailor2002]

yea, cos to most musicians, perhaps music isnt a form of competition but rather a way to express themselves. to "compete" with another band or musician will be in a way to bastardise music as a whole, which most people will not want to see happen.

to me, competition is fine as long as quality music is still produced by the parties involved in the "rivalries" or the competition.

moreover, i think that the "best band in singapore" thread was locked since the original member of the band has clarified that everything was all a misunderstanding, and having the thread continue might lead to further complications/flaming towards the band involved for people who have not read the whole thread and dont really know what was going on. case in point: http://soft.com.sg/forum/music-kopi-tiam/99331-best-band-singapore-3.html#post812823

 

[PatheinRaindropMoe]

most of the time, rivalry has nothing to do with the bands itself other than silly fanboys and girls fighting online over useless issues which unfortunately, doesnt seem to have much impact to the progression of musical direction for the bands generally.

 

[optisailor2002]

most of the time, rivalry has nothing to do with the bands itself other than silly fanboys and girls fighting online over useless issues which unfortunately, doesnt seem to have much impact to the progression of musical direction for the bands generally.

unless you are dave mustaine heh. well known for his feuds with members from the other "big 4" of thrash metal.

which isnt a bad thing considering megadeth can still produce good music.

 

[PatheinRaindropMoe]

dave mustaine can be anyway he wants to be and it probably have nothing to do with anyone here nor bands here i guess.

anyway, imho rivalry doesnt need to be talk among so much from outsiders other than the bands themselves wanting to improve and surpass the standard they have set for themselves

 

[optisailor2002]

dave mustaine can be anyway he wants to be and it probably have nothing to do with anyone here nor bands here i guess.

yea, his rivalries and feuds definitely have nothing to do with bands and musicians here. just listing out examples of bands/musicians from all over the world that have had good music being produced despite rivalries or competition that may or may not be present.

my opinion is just that if a musician or a band is targetted for "competition", the band or musician should just treat it as a motivation to perform better and outdo the rival. if you cant then its too bad, but at least you know you have done your best. in the end, both you and your rival would have produced better results. unless of course, it ends up in a brawl, which does neither of the rivals any good.

my definition of rival is in the form of "friendly rivalry", where bands push each other to do better in one way or another, not in the form of brute force.

 

[PatheinRaindropMoe]

haha, ok, i have said what i wanted to say. This will be my last post in the thread.

As long as theres till music coming our from ourshore and in another 10 years time, we can have another "sibey rock" compilation from 08 to 18. Rivalry or not, it wont matter much.

Hopefully by then, we can have example of how this so called rivalry among local bands result in better music, production and progression etc, without the need to follow what others have been doing in other countries

For the love of local bands, local music!

 

[AEnimic]

Some musicians in Singapore are just not professional enough to have a healthy competition. And sometimes confidence in competing with another band/artiste maybe mistaken as arrogance.

 

[biopromax]

Singapore are not mentally prepared for healthy competition yet. Not opened much
Maybe in the future , we can see bands fighting for the billboard chart? hmm.....

 

[tim098]

If we aren't mentally prepared, why not start now then? Instead of keeping friendly or semi-friendly competition a taboo

 

[biopromax]

YES WE SHOULD!

How eh? Someone start the trend please hehe..

 

[tpiledriver]

tim.don't need to show ur smartness here.
this thread doesn't benefit the elite singapore bands at all.
its useless to talk about here.f o.

 

[EngelFaeuste]

Competition is good, just remember never to put down your competitors.

Who's up for a shred contest? (I'm not taking part , I'm a slimy kid who enjoys anonymity)

 

[blank]

I agree with you somewhat. Only on the publicity side, and I don't mean friendly competition either.
Like if say Allura says Caracal sucks donkey balls, then Caracal says Allura are a bunch of shitfaces. Then people would be like "OMG MAN, did you hear that blahblahblahbbalh". So, if the scene becomes more interesting, I suppose that would help it.
Wouldn't necessarily support the idea, though like everyone else, I would thoroughly enjoy seeing them fight it out.
In the end, shitty bands fighting it out will still produce shitty music. pretty sure.

 

[zullio]

within the hiphop scene, or the more "mainstream" part of it, there are afew rivalries around or beefs as they would call it. personal or not. their competition is usually in the lyrics in their songs..

for instance, Rapper A doesn't "like" Rapper B. Rapper A pens a song/rap with lyrics dissing Rapper B. Rapper B notices that the song/rap is about him/her, so Rapper B replies with his own song/rap. this goes on for as long as they want it to go on. most of the tracks are of lyrical content ah, alot punches and hooks.

i got my info from a friend who is in the hiphop scene and recently got dissed. haha.

 

[tim098]

tim.don't need to show ur smartness here.
this thread doesn't benefit the elite singapore bands at all.
its useless to talk about here.f o.

Explain how what you wrote relates to anything at all? I know I'm smart, I don't need your approval or acknowledgement. I've brought up a point that hasn't been discussed here before, tell me HOW is that a bad thing in any way.

This thread doesn't benefit the elite? Could you clarify that?

Apparently you have no clue that competition CAN lead to something good. Seriously man what the fcuk were you trying to say in that post?

 

[tim098]

In the end, shitty bands fighting it out will still produce shitty music. pretty sure.

That's why I said proper bands which are able to make proper music. Yea my main point is the publicity thing. It generates hype, and that will lead to more people wanting to know what's going on, what gives this band the right to claim they are better than others. They want to see for themselves if they really are good. Then they go to gigs. And there you go, you've got more turn out.

 

[BleedsNoMore]

IMO, bands in singapore, instead of having competition, healthy or non healthy, are supposed to look out for each other.. Because in this competition, no one benefits from anything, especially with the pathetic state of the scene(eg. genre bashing, mainstream vs. underground, corporate vs. DIY etc.)..

and instead of holding "competitions" within ourselves, we're supposed to compete with bands that are outside of our region and make ourselves known to the rest of the world and see where we can improve ourselves in whatever state that we're in..

just my 2cents worth.