2007 Winter NAMM Updates...Live

>> USD 2499 ???????/
>> Expensive....

True. Korg Radias x 1 (USD999) + Virus Ti Desktop x 1 (USD1652 @ Synth planet) costs just slightly more and is 1 heck of a potent combination.
 
I'm still scratching my head how Arturia can put all those modules into one sleek looking hardware. It's not possible to put all the circuitries of Moog, ARP, CS80, Prophet, and mimimoog into a condensed form of hardware.

So the only answer to it is that they load all their VSTis into one hardware running off DSPs instead of a PC's CPU, put in a nice case with lots of knobs etc. and you get a nice looking hardware. So it's still basically "software" based.

It's tempting for people who wants to free up their CPU resources running Arturia's CPU-hungry VSTis. But at that price, perhaps a better alternative is to get a new notebook dedicated just for Arturia, get all their VSTis loaded into it, and buy some nice looking controllers (Behringer perhaps?). For those who already have extensive controllers running off their keyboards, they wouldn't need it. Anyone care to recalculate how much that will cost? Don't forget the notebook can do other things the Origin will not be able to do - if you dual boot it.

And Origin will be stuck with the current modules - no expandability. So with their new Jupiter8 VSTi out (and I believe many more in the future), they can't put it in, unless they have some form of firmware update option.

But still, the nice and sleek design IS tempting...
 
No true that the Origin is non-expandable. Suppose to be able to upload modules in the future (but I'll believe after I see the final production model do this).

It is also more powerful than the few Arturia VSTis you mentioned. You can combine oscillators, filters etc from different VSTis (eg oscillators from Prophet 5, filter from Moog).

On top of that, I find that hardware still sounds marginally better than software.

http://futuremusic.com/blog/index.php?paged=4

"So the only answer to it is that they load all their VSTis into one hardware running off DSPs instead of a PC's CPU, put in a nice case with lots of knobs etc. and you get a nice looking hardware. So it's still basically "software" based. "

Lastly, just thought - aren't most modern hardware synths these days just computer code (like a VSTi) in hardware eg Access Virus, Nord Synthesizers, Korg Oasys.

If the computer is powerful enough, the code can be ported over and viola -> another softsynth is born (oh yeah, Access did that on the TC Powercore and ProTools system).
 
For combining oscillators and filters, it's only a matter of time before Arturia come up with another software to combine all of them into one nice interface - like NI's Kore without their hardware interface. That should be able to do what Origin can do. Theoretically, they should be able to do that in their Analog Factory - but they limited it deliberately. I believe Origin grew from the Analog Factory concept.

As for other hardware synths being computer code, you're absolutely right! Except Arturia's VSTis are Moog Modular, mimimoog etc - all hardware. I guess many of these are "hardware" hardware. In a way, Arturia is emulating other hardware, not like Access, Korg, Roland etc which has their own sounds and filters etc. In a way, Arturia is emulating other's hardware into software, then putting it back into "hardware" which is not like the original hardware wiring. But again, as long as it sounds similar and does it's job, who really cares? Except maybe the purists. But in a mix, nobody is going to tell, particularly to the general audience.

So, I guess Origin is going to sell - for people into gear and collectors. But if I'm going to consider Origin, I would rather get the VSTis as a lower cost solution. But then, you already know my inclincation and preferences ... minimal hardware... :D
 
>> So, I guess Origin is going to sell - for people into gear and collectors. But if I'm going to consider Origin, I would rather get the VSTis as a lower cost solution. But then, you already know my inclincation and preferences ... minimal hardware...

Arturia probably realized that
1) profit margins on software is higher. (few hundreds for softsynth vs a few thousands for hardware of this calibre).
2) there are very few cases of pirated synth hardware compared to software (even B*ger hasn't tried to clone a Roland, Yamaha, Korg).
3) there are people willingly to pay a premium for knobs and a slightly better sound from hardware. (guess what, I am one of them. Unfortunately, my wife isn't).
 
Can't argue with you on that one! Absolutely true, point no. 2. No thanks to piracy....

I wonder if one day, softsynths will start to move back into hardware versions - then we are coming one full circle! Dongles are already becoming more and more a commidity. Even that can be cracked. Dreaming - perhaps one day, one PCI card per softsynth? Then we need a PC with lots and lots of PCI slots.... That will make the PC like an expansion module. Brrrrr... hope that day never comes!

Or else, every softsynth manufacturer sign a pact with Muse and only let their softsynths run within Muse.

Again, no thanks to piracy!
 
The price tag of Origin is also un imaginable...$2999++

BTW, I see only we 3 are posting on this therad...Bongman wish to stay away from commenting ????
 
Yo, I yet to read between the lines of the new products,
no comments from me yet as I'm in the middle of reservist.

only paid attention to the new Korg Legacy AE 2007

KORG Legacy Collection - ANALOG EDITION 2007
249.00 USD ( list price in the U.S.)
Included software instruments/effects:
Mono/Poly [New!], Polysix v1.2, MS-20 v1.2,
Legacy Cell v1.2, MS-20FX v1.2, MDE-X v1.2


It's good to own the original, where you get
special rates for upgrades:
The ANALOG EDITION 2007 Upgrade licenses
and "Preferred Owner" Program for Legacy Collection users

KORG Legacy Collection - ANALOG EDITION 2007 Upgrade
(KLC-Mono/Poly) : 99.00 USD

KORG Legacy Collection v1.2 Upgrade +
ANALOG EDITION 2007 Upgrade (KLC-Mono/Poly) : 114.00 USD

KLC-ANALOG EDITION v1.2 Upgrade +
ANALOG EDITION 2007 Upgrade (KLC-Mono/Poly) : 114.00 USD

For KORG Legacy Collection - DIGITAL EDITION users
KLC-ANALOG EDITION 2007
["Preferred Owner" price] : 199.00 USD
 
Yes, Bongman - noticed that you are interested in getting the Legacy. You mentioned heavy CPU usage before. Any updates on this new version?
 
KORG M3

after hearing the KORG M3 MP3 files,
looks like KORG has another winner

and the demos creacted by Stephen Kay bears
Mr. Kay distinctive charachter, just like for Trinity, X5DR, etc...

haha...


I always felt the OASYS sounds a bit harsh with its sound,
even the Legacy incorporated to OASYS doesn't sound as good
as its software counterparts. I believe it is the engine that is causing
this harshness which resembles Triton or is it the Triton engine?

The M3 sounds better but after all still need to hear it at Citymusic.
 
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