Wondering of Presonus Firestudio mobile/echo audio 4 will sufficent

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behling

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Hello sorry had to start a new thread cos purpose might have changed.

im looking to record the below simultaneously

1x vocal
1x bass
2x acoustic
1x cajon

im wondering if either the presonus firestudio mobile or echoaudio 4 will be sufficent to handle this task.

or do i require a mixer for this or will the software mixer be gd enuff?

another question. while recordinig this in a room, will the condenser mic pick up all the instruments if it gets too loud?

thanks.
 
Interface is enough. Of cos mixer,it is easy to control to volume,aux and effect without going through computer. Easier to do monitor for sessionist. Some have mic built to communicate between recording room and console room. You must find a good place to place your board. The interface can just hidden anywhere. Good mixer board is vital to sound quality too.
 
behling said:
Hello sorry had to start a new thread cos purpose might have changed.

im looking to record the below simultaneously

1x vocal
1x bass
2x acoustic
1x cajon

im wondering if either the presonus firestudio mobile or echoaudio 4 will be sufficent to handle this task.

or do i require a mixer for this or will the software mixer be gd enuff?

another question. while recordinig this in a room, will the condenser mic pick up all the instruments if it gets too loud?

thanks.
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Hi

If the acoustic is plugged into DI and into the interface should be ok.

Use a dynamic mic SM58 for vocals.

Use a dynamic/condensor mic for cajon too.

No need for mixer if you are using your pc to mix. What software are you using? If cubase should be good enuf i guess.
 
I use Logic. Any commercial DAW can do recording. Mostly people will use condenser for vocals, other connect is ok. Buy any interface you get cubase le or sonar le.
 
okay.

can this scenario work?

1 vocal mic go to mic 1 input
1 mic for cajon go tor mic 2 input

bass to DI to Line-in at the back
acoustic 1 to Line-in at the back
acoustic 2 to Line-in at the back

is it totally necessary for both acoustics to have DI?
 
Actually you can do with or without DI depend on the interface gain. If cable going be running more than 5 meter then DI is better. If the mic input feature balanced then it is alway to better to use DI. Note that high-end one, all feature balanced I/O. The giving end and receiving end must be balanced in order to work and sound as it should be. For acoustic, you could do mic up to sound hole, fret and ambience pick-up, but depend on important of the part.
 
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i see okay. i just check out the product website it says quote

"We start with a pair of combination XLR/TS mic/instrument jacks, which are in the inputs for channels 1 and 2"

my intention is to 1 to vocal mic and 2nd one for cajon mic

"On the back are 6 more balanced, ¼-inch line level inputs for channels 3 through 8"

so this means i can hook up 2 acoustics guitars and 1 bass to the back via 1/4 inch cables? bass will be from bass to DI and then DI to the back. so means acoustics need DI as well? or not really necessary.
 
1) it would be very inconvenient if your acoustic pickup gain is not loud enough and you'll need to buy additional preamps whether you're using echo audiofire or presonus mobile
2) it would be very inconvenient if you decide to change the situation again and upgrade/say drums into the situation.
3) are you using mac or pc? what DAW ?
4) are you recording live? or layer?
5) so to start off with your situation : assuming you're recording live.
1x vocal > XLR > dynamic mic like SM58 (if you're using condenser pls consider isolation like vocalist far away or in another room hearing via headphones. cos the bleed would be sensitive)
1x bass > direct input (DI)
1x acoustic > if pickups = DI , if mike up dynamic > XLR > sm58 also can
1x acoustic > "" "" "" ""
1x cajon > XLR > SM57 , or any mic also can. just close mike it.
last note : if you're using condenser mic make sure there's phantom power.

assuming your acoustic guitar is mike up. so there's a total of 4 xlr inputs and 1 DI.

6) my vote stands with echo audio fire 4
7) if you're going to use the inputs at the back you will need seperate preamps for the mics, or even for the acoustic pickups if the amplification is not strong enough.
8 ) Personally I'm using a Zoom R16 which i got during citymusic sale, do check it out. but only if you're using PC cos i think their mac drivers are not out yet.
 
It is always better to have extra inputs. If you get something with 'just enough' inputs, you will be in trouble if you need just 1 extra input.

For your current set up, I suggest getting something with at least 8 inputs.
 
thank you all for your input.

@blueprintstudio

have both mac and PC, no daw totally 0 xp,

recording live.

1) on vocalist - thanks for explaining now i understand.

2) on bass - will be using sadowsky preamp/di so i guess i'll be gd whether i plug into the front or back of echoaudiofire 4?

3) on acoustic x2 - they both are pickups. hence if i connect to the back i would require a preamp/di else volume won't be sufficent. front i'm gd or preamp still stands?

4) on cajon - okay understood same like vocalist mic to front input.

5) on echo Audiofire 4 - okay. echoaudio fire 4 only has 2 front XLR and 2 back 1/4" how will it fit all 5 inputs?

thanks again! =)
 
http://www.echoaudio.com/products/FireWire/AudioFire4/audiofire4_both_big.jpg
reference.

2) if you're using sadowsky preamp/di , then it'll be great to plug into the BACK of the audio fire cos there's already "preamp" on the front, you don't want double preamps.

3) if both have pickups, then it saves you cash for xlr / mics / stands and most impt bleed. so connect to the BACK , ONLY IF the pickups preamps is not loud enough , then you'll require a preamp. but if I were you I'd recommend trying without the preamp first , save unnecessary spending. cos seriously 4 line inputs, what a waste if you don't utilize them if you're recording DI.

5) now what I would recommend is , if you're going for echoaudio fire4 for sure. unfortunately to have more than 4 inputs left is to resort a submixer or get something with more inputs. how much is the audiofire 4 ? submixer acts as a "signal combiner"

#1 (front) : vocals
#2 (front) : cajon
#3,4 : a submixer like this one just an example (yeah right behringer crap I don't care assuming you got a budget)
http://www.behringer.com.sg/EN/Products/1002B.aspx
your bass , your guitar, your guitar, and you still have room for others be it drums etc. and by now you wouldnt' need your sadowsky preamp cos this boosts your bass, but your sadowsky preamps would kick more ass. and you gotta pan them right, and after you record them you can't make much changes cos it's already stereomix recorded unlike multitrack.

so what next? care to consider an audio interface with 8 inputs?
 
oh my gdness thank you blueprintstudio. its super clear now.

yup both acoustic guitars have pick up. so can plug behind, swee.. i donno how much is echoaudiofire4 but for sure its more then $400.. acutally can explain why you chooise echoaudio 4? cos i was looking at presonus firestudio mobile it has 2 front XLR inputs with phantom power same like echoaudio 4 i guess, but behind got another 6 input so total 8!. but i donno how's the preamp like. acutally. i just looking for smth to get the job done i also not say very pro or wad. just dont want to run into trouble along the way.. thanks!
 
welcome,
alright because you said you have 0 xperience on DAW and you don't sound like you're very familiar with pc maintenance as well. presonus has been known to have "glitches" (as a former owner of firepod/firebox) and the preamp on it isn't that great but achieves the purpose and definitely better than behringer. so if there're glitches usually I can troubleshoot and bypass the problem but for you it will be hell of a headache. but I'm googling around so far I think ever since the poor standards of FP10/Firebox, the Audiobox/Firestudio mobile seems to have pretty good reviews . I didn't want to recommend you that probably is of potential crap experience so I recommended echo audio cos they've always been famous for the great reviews, just not as "bang for buck" . your buck goes to the quality.

if firestudio mobile is around $425, for 2 XLR (preamp) inputs , and 6 line inputs and 1 midi input. and for the same price you get echo audiofire 4 2 XLR (preamp) inputs, and 2 line inputs. would you care to topup $160 more for this? (the one i'm using)
it'll solve all your preamp requirements, additional 2 microphones onboard , and portability even. but 0 midi.
and yea I just checked r16 now works as interface on a mac also I got mistaken, no 64 bit OS.
if not then firestudio mobile is your best shot but I definitely cannot assure you as I've not used it before that it won't have glitches like it did in the old firebox.

best of luck
 
wow the R16 looks cooll noe.. thanks for pointing me there. thanks for the adivce. ya really got no exp. so if smth happen i will go omg.... the R16 doesnt work on 64bit OS is it? but nvm thats not a problem here. how's it. im pretty psyche for this R16.. its USB rite. based on your experince with it, it shld be cool to handle my listed requirements of record tog ya? thanks again..
 
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