which db's worth the moolah?
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shaneypants
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Why not the 7000's? I'm deciding between the 7000's and the Sonor Giant Step.
Sorry, let me get this right. You're deciding between a intermediate level pedal (the 7002) and a high end model (giant step). Does not make sense at all.
To TS, I can give you a rough run down on the pedals to give you a better idea.
The 7002s are not worth it at all. If you're getting the 5002s or 9002s, by all means go for it, you can't really got wrong with it, contrary to what the DW hating bandwagon says. The 7002s are single chain, and lack the adjustability that the higher end pedals come with.
The Iron Cobras are built like tanks, and are undoubtedly one of the most, if not the most, reliable and sturdy double pedal out there. However, you sacrifice sensitivity for this, as the IC may seem a little sluggish and heavy at times. If you like to "feel" the pedal under your leg as you play, then the ICs maybe the one for you. If you're a "plug-and-play" fan, you might want to consider the ICs too. You'll understand after reading about the eliminators.
The Eliminators are not as sturdy or "tank-esque" as the ICs, but they do hold their own ground. They're sturdy enough to last you for a while. You don't sacrifice any sensitivity or adjustability for this pedal. In fact, one of the reason why I sold off my elims a while ago was because I was too irritated with the amount of stuff I could adjust. You have a choice of adjusting:
1. Beater angle
2. Footboard angle
3. Spring tension
4. Cam on pedal
5. Position of footboard
You can achieve pretty sweet "feels" on this pedal if you spend enough time tweaking and playing around with all the various combinations of cams and settings. However, if you're the kind that lacks patience and wants to play on something right out of the box, the elims might not be the one for you.
p/s: oh yes, if you do get the elims, be sure to get the kevlar bass patch from yamaha... i played on my elims using the red cam (super-offset cam) at highest spring tension, and i punched a hole through my bass skin AND a normal bass patch.
shaneypants
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Thanks for the advice alvyn.
So should I just go for the Giant Steps or consider the DW 5ks?
So should I just go for the Giant Steps or consider the DW 5ks?
yea hey thanks alot to those who replied for this thread.i found it extremely enlightening.i think the drum shop uncle tried to con me.he told me the dw 7002s beat the pearl elims and tama ic anytime lol.really really appreciate all the response =) special thanks to alvyn for the really detailed desciption of the DBs.cheers all =)
shred5
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TS,
The beauty of marketing is that any salesguy/girl will "sweet talk" anyone by saying "the brand/model A will outbeat Brand/model B anytime"..
As buyers, we have the right to choose or test the products that we really want and not fall into a situation whereby we'll regret buying the stuffs without testing.
Testing a product especially in this case a Double pedal is something that we lack in.
You shld really try out the pedals that you really want and get what you really like.
The beauty of marketing is that any salesguy/girl will "sweet talk" anyone by saying "the brand/model A will outbeat Brand/model B anytime"..
As buyers, we have the right to choose or test the products that we really want and not fall into a situation whereby we'll regret buying the stuffs without testing.
Testing a product especially in this case a Double pedal is something that we lack in.
You shld really try out the pedals that you really want and get what you really like.
ConanCassidy
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hijack time! haha but like. which is more adviceable to get single chained or double chained? do they both have thier own advantages? anyone willing to talk about the peace velocity nitro pedal?
marcdadrummer
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like shred said, try it before getting it.... by any means.
there's direct-drive, nylon straps, single chained, double chained.... all stand in with it's own advantages and disadvantages alike.
cheers.
there's direct-drive, nylon straps, single chained, double chained.... all stand in with it's own advantages and disadvantages alike.
cheers.
shred5
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A pedal footboard is constructed to withstand countless beatings. Nevertheless, different model has their strengths and weaknesses.
Obviously, if U guys have seen those pictures of various footboards which are snapped into half, it'll definitely scare the hell out of you.
BUT!!!
Those pictures of broken footboards are used by professional drummers who tours constantly, have gigs almost daily, practice longs hours, etc, etc..
Obviously, the pedalboard due to wear and tear will eventually snapped no matter the model or strength.
I've been playing Pearl Eliminators for almost 2 years now and it hasn't disappoint me. Never had any breakdowns or pedalboards that snapped.
Maintenance is very important because U shld treat all the pedals as a lifelong investment.
Lubricate every joints to prevent rust. Be knowledgable in very nuts and bolts thats fixed to the pedals... Thats wats most important.
Obviously, if U guys have seen those pictures of various footboards which are snapped into half, it'll definitely scare the hell out of you.
BUT!!!
Those pictures of broken footboards are used by professional drummers who tours constantly, have gigs almost daily, practice longs hours, etc, etc..
Obviously, the pedalboard due to wear and tear will eventually snapped no matter the model or strength.
I've been playing Pearl Eliminators for almost 2 years now and it hasn't disappoint me. Never had any breakdowns or pedalboards that snapped.
Maintenance is very important because U shld treat all the pedals as a lifelong investment.
Lubricate every joints to prevent rust. Be knowledgable in very nuts and bolts thats fixed to the pedals... Thats wats most important.
hey guys, okie i dunno abt u guys but i haven't met anyone whose DW pedal board snapped in two. i've had mine for 7yrs and i beat the hell outta it.
i feel dlb chains are alot more stable than single chains, the pedal tends not to sway from left to right like a single chain. i reckon if u have the money the best pedal wld be a direct drive system. like the ludwig speed kings and Axis and all tht. the thing abt chains is tht when ur foot is coming acsending after the initial stroke there is tht tiny bit where the chain isn't tight. takes away some energy.
i feel dlb chains are alot more stable than single chains, the pedal tends not to sway from left to right like a single chain. i reckon if u have the money the best pedal wld be a direct drive system. like the ludwig speed kings and Axis and all tht. the thing abt chains is tht when ur foot is coming acsending after the initial stroke there is tht tiny bit where the chain isn't tight. takes away some energy.
ConanCassidy
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i always thought from a cosmetic point of view those pedals looked awesome never heard anything about it well asides from it being cheap, but then you know the whole war that has been going on with cheap and quality. ha. ha. ha.
Hmm don't mind me asking, but why Giant Steps? I've not encountered many people who prefered the Giant Step over "traditional" pedals. From what I've heard, its quite pricey isn't it?
Well, what I can say is that pedals are very individualistic. I could go on all day about the specifications and details of the pedal, but you wouldn't know how you'd like the individual feel of the pedal. My honest opinion would be for you to go test them both out. But if its not possible, then I'd say with the amount of professional gigging/recording musicians using the DW5002 pedals, you really can't go wrong with it.
Hmm.. TBQH, I would get a double-chained pedal over a direct drive anyday. The direct drive pedal is only the best pedal in theory. In theory, there's no energy loss, which should result in more efficient playing. But its precisely because of this lack of energy loss that feels extremely odd to some people, and they end up being unable to adapt to the pedal. Personally I feel that the direct drive pedals are a little too responsive for me.. I like my pedals with a little resistance.blurred said:
As for the DW pedal board fiasco, shred5 is right... how can even the best pedal not break under constant hammering? Mind you, a lot of American drummers are heavy built... no surprise there when majority of your weight's rested on that little piece of metal eh. Oh btw for those who claim that elims are superior because of the ribbed pedalboard, check out Tool's official website... Mr. Danny Carey snapped his eliminator floorboard in two.
Things are gonna break regardless... hahaha. be it the smallest part. So just get what feels bet. I remember when i first bought elims i was so stressed. ahha, tune like mad... today I tried Axis at Drumresources, damn siok! I want hahaha. I like long boards
Expensive ah. Haha I tried the axis last time too... damn smooth but then I felt it was very uncontrolled for me. 1+k right?
But I have to give tama credit... I've not seen a pair of ICs damaged before... I think it would be quite scary to see a pair of broken ICs...
ConanCassidy
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bro gambatak, how is the response like tho from the pedal? sluggish? describe in 10 words or less 
haha
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