What is playing 'outside'...?
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pianomankris
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It is when you solo in a key other than the key the piece of music is in.
E.g. soloing in the key of Db when the piece is in the key of G.
There's a reason I said Db when in G, but i'm not going to give you all the answers
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Bill Evans played 'outside' a lot. The term is generally considered a jazz term, as jazz players often play outside (try John Coltrane also, amongst many others).
E.g. soloing in the key of Db when the piece is in the key of G.
There's a reason I said Db when in G, but i'm not going to give you all the answers
)Bill Evans played 'outside' a lot. The term is generally considered a jazz term, as jazz players often play outside (try John Coltrane also, amongst many others).
tim098
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From what I think, playing outside means you not having to follow every single suggested guideline there is.
Like for a guitar solo, instead of being one-dimensional and playing only notes of one singular scale, go with what sounds nice to your ears.
That's what I think of the phrase 'playing outside', other than my own opinion I don't really have a clue. How about the playground?
Like for a guitar solo, instead of being one-dimensional and playing only notes of one singular scale, go with what sounds nice to your ears.
That's what I think of the phrase 'playing outside', other than my own opinion I don't really have a clue. How about the playground?
THOA
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It is when you solo in a key other than the key the piece of music is in.
E.g. soloing in the key of Db when the piece is in the key of G.
There's a reason I said Db when in G, but i'm not going to give you all the answers
Bill Evans played 'outside' a lot. The term is generally considered a jazz term, as jazz players often play outside (try John Coltrane also, amongst many others).
And that is what I call education :mrgreen:
vernplum
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Oh, I know *some* of the answers (tritone, lydian dom, etc.
)..but I wanted to get a lively debate going; through the debate I hope more will be revealed little by little.
So to your point on 'playing outside of the key' is this the strict definition? If my piece is in C and I play the notes from G, only one note differs - the F#, so I'm only outside of the key for that one note.
pianomankris
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No. That would be playing in the Lydian mode.
In the most basic terms, this would be playing 'outside', but by jazz standards, this isn't 'outside'.
Playing outside is more involved than simply picking a random key, and improvising.
However, many people do this, and it has led to the common conception that 'playing outside' is simply a case of playing the notes other than the notes of the key you are in.
But there's more to it than that
But i'm just leaving for France to spend my christmas there, so you can ponder this one for a while - no more answers from me)
Enjoy)))
In the most basic terms, this would be playing 'outside', but by jazz standards, this isn't 'outside'.
Playing outside is more involved than simply picking a random key, and improvising.
However, many people do this, and it has led to the common conception that 'playing outside' is simply a case of playing the notes other than the notes of the key you are in.
But there's more to it than that
But i'm just leaving for France to spend my christmas there, so you can ponder this one for a while - no more answers from me
)Enjoy
)))pianomankris
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PS the lydian mode comment was in reply to his post you made:
not to the posts after it
Oh, I know *some* of the answers (tritone, lydian dom, etc.
..but I wanted to get a lively debate going; through the debate I hope more will be revealed little by little.
So to your point on 'playing outside of the key' is this the strict definition? If my piece is in C and I play the notes from G, only one note differs - the F#, so I'm only outside of the key for that one note.
not to the posts after it