Weekend Sale: Rare USA Warmoth Custom hardtail Stratocaster
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Firstly 250 lower than cash price is not a mother of all lowballs. i think Ppl publicly offered mammoth lower thn that before, cant remember though.
Secondly it is common practice in the forum for trade values to be higher and i was simply basing my trade value based on the previous sellers estimate.
Took a good long hard look in the mirror already and saw no wrong. but thanks
Secondly it is common practice in the forum for trade values to be higher and i was simply basing my trade value based on the previous sellers estimate.
Took a good long hard look in the mirror already and saw no wrong. but thanks
cbr400rrr
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like i said...so?do we need to use vulgar on him for lowballing??we dont act or behave like hooligans here man...there are many of this ppl in the forum so react in proper manner...sometimes we do not know who we dealing with
$1100 is my self-lowball price. You took this price to lowball further and I still have to cough up $1000 to you. So what if I told you off in private, you really asked for it. By lowballing, you took the first swipe. You go around offending people, people tell you off to back off and here you are cry father cry mother.
So what if other people lowballed me before, it doesn't mean you are right to lowball me as well. 2 wrongs don't make a right. At least other lowballers gave me cash offers, unlike you tell me to cough up $1000 for your cheaper guitar.
You are really not very bright. If your guitar's value is be jacked up for trade, so should the value of any other guitar including mine. You jack up your guitar from $1850 (bought value, assume you didn't lowball the ex owner lar k) to $2400 (ex owner's proposed trade value), so I should jack up my guitar from $3000 (bought value) to $3550 (same increase as your jack up).
Any decent person can see the fallacies in your arguments and your lowballing antics.
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Is it wrong to use vulgar in private settings? People here know that he was scolded in private because he himself brought it up, in other words whining about it in public. It's like a kid trying to get a sweet for nothing, being told off by the shop owner, and crying in public, then passers by who don't know any better telling the shop owner that it's wrong to scold a kid.
You may be surprised but there will be shops who will scold such lowballers. Then the lowballers will come to this forum to flame the shops. But lowballers are cowards, they don't dare to lowball shops so they come to forum to lowball instead, hoping to make a quick buck.
mammoth, we all know how long you have been trying to sell this guitar. if you do take a good hard look at your own first reply, a simple NO to colinboon would suffice, but NO, you decided to bring it out and complain about someone else lowballing you. Is your intention to bring out an argument and drag it out? Plus, a simple NO TRADES in your ad would be good too. Clear to everyone, instead of the oh so smart statement of CASH IS KING. Arrogance, since anyone who sees a wall of text in that context would feel.
I am not condoning lowballers or lowballing, but the way you reply to others could improve. A SIMPLE NO WOULD HAVE SUFFICE. No need for all these ruckus. Just wait for someone who wants to meet your 'self lowballed price'
Be nice, mammoth. It's Christmas time soon!
I am not condoning lowballers or lowballing, but the way you reply to others could improve. A SIMPLE NO WOULD HAVE SUFFICE. No need for all these ruckus. Just wait for someone who wants to meet your 'self lowballed price'
Be nice, mammoth. It's Christmas time soon!
I didn't mention any names, colinboon himself jumped into the fray in this thread. Nobody will know he is the lowballer if he didn't reveal himself and try to bring this thread into disrepute. I have had enough of smarmy know it all lowballers so I reiterated not to lowball me and don't offer me some cheaper guitar yet expect me to topup $1000. This is a new tactic that I seen from lowballers so that statement was aimed at all lowballers.
Speaking up for lowballers and condoning them will bring this forum down to the gutters.
Hmmmm.......
If the previous owner of the hamer said the guitar retails USD 2399 (minus extra fees)
http://www.soft.com.sg/forum/showthread.php?275431-WTS-T-Hamer-USA-Monaco-Elite&p=1253651#post1253651
Then Mammoth's one was bought for SGD 3000
And the hamer costs SGD 2927
(probably higher when the original owner bought it as usd dropped)
Then the price difference is barely lowball.
Also the hamer's price has not included taxes, shipping, etc.
So the hamer could actually cost more than Mammoth's guitar...
SOoooooo........
colinboon was not trying to trade a cheaper guitar.
Mammoth was wrong as both guitars are worth around the same...
Colin wanted topup maybe cause his has a higher demand?
As mammoth's guitar is hard to sell...
So colin is wrong maybe cause he wanted too much topup...
And mammoth overreacted and , etc etc etc etc
i could have read this whole thread wrong tho... not sure
If the previous owner of the hamer said the guitar retails USD 2399 (minus extra fees)
http://www.soft.com.sg/forum/showthread.php?275431-WTS-T-Hamer-USA-Monaco-Elite&p=1253651#post1253651
Then Mammoth's one was bought for SGD 3000
And the hamer costs SGD 2927
(probably higher when the original owner bought it as usd dropped)
Then the price difference is barely lowball.
Also the hamer's price has not included taxes, shipping, etc.
So the hamer could actually cost more than Mammoth's guitar...
SOoooooo........
colinboon was not trying to trade a cheaper guitar.
Mammoth was wrong as both guitars are worth around the same...
Colin wanted topup maybe cause his has a higher demand?
As mammoth's guitar is hard to sell...
So colin is wrong maybe cause he wanted too much topup...
And mammoth overreacted and , etc etc etc etc
i could have read this whole thread wrong tho... not sure
dioswkg
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Trade + 1k for the hammer is a bit too much lah.
Also don't think either of the hamer's owner are original or even 2nd owner.
If I'm right, here is the thread for the hamer from a US seller.
Pretty cheap even if you add shipping to SG.
Also don't think either of the hamer's owner are original or even 2nd owner.
If I'm right, here is the thread for the hamer from a US seller.
Pretty cheap even if you add shipping to SG.
I meant brand new prices....
Anyway, point is that the hamer may not been a cheaper guitar than the warmoth...
Therefore, Mammoth = wrong
From how i interpret mammoth is so upset sause people keep offering him cheaper guitars and ask him to topup... Slightly different case but still dont have to cure and swear
Anyway, point is that the hamer may not been a cheaper guitar than the warmoth...
Therefore, Mammoth = wrong
From how i interpret mammoth is so upset sause people keep offering him cheaper guitars and ask him to topup... Slightly different case but still dont have to cure and swear
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LOL this is really epic!
dioswkg
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Price of a 2nd hand guitar, especially on a forum like this, depends on how low a seller willing to go and how much is the buyer willing to pay. If the seller are desperate for cash, than any offer he might consider it especially if there's not many offer on the table.
If OP priced his guitar at 1.1k and someone offer him $800 or so, it's up to him to grab it or just say no but, if someone offer to trade and asked him to top-up 1k! Damn even I'll be fuming at the stupidity of the person!
If OP priced his guitar at 1.1k and someone offer him $800 or so, it's up to him to grab it or just say no but, if someone offer to trade and asked him to top-up 1k! Damn even I'll be fuming at the stupidity of the person!
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Just because you spent more on a customized guitar does not mean the market worth is more than say, a well known brand. Because brand name contributes to the market value of the said guitar right? Considering that Hamer recently just closed its US custom shop office, the price and market value of Hamer USA guitars are going on the rise.
It's understandable that how much a person values the gears they are selling are their own business, but if you bring it out for discussion (in this case, the trade value of the Hamer Monaco Elite vs Warmoth Custom Partscaster), then by all means be prepared for some discussion in terms of market value of the guitars in question.
It's understandable that how much a person values the gears they are selling are their own business, but if you bring it out for discussion (in this case, the trade value of the Hamer Monaco Elite vs Warmoth Custom Partscaster), then by all means be prepared for some discussion in terms of market value of the guitars in question.
Mammoth...seems like you've been trying to sell this guitar for years man...I could see your weekend sale thread every week without fail...it's sad to say that customized guitar doesn't seem to have much market value over here...even big brands like fender and Gibson are really hard to sell these days despite the already fabulous price...everybody just keep low balling one another...the forum is just not the same anymore as back in circa 2007-2009...good times are gone.. Damn I'm losing faith.
dioswkg
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No matter if the guitar is OOP or 1 of a kind, if no one is willing to dish out serious cash for it, it will just be that - a numerical market value. In this case, the OP doesn't value the hamer as high as some of the guys in here. In fact, even his guitar doesn't seems to hold high value as well that's why his pricing is decreasing or, the right person just hasn't come across it yet.
But seriously, if you are a seller, you want cash in your hand and if there's a trade, you prefer trade + top up from the buyer. Not to be told that you need to top up $1k (nearly as much as the OP value his guitar)! It's not like it's a brand name that you can turn around and sell it for a quick cash.
Not too sure how many are willing to pay a high price for that hamer, with what happened to it's custom shop though. Would like to see some raise hand who are willing to pay ... like what $2k?
But seriously, if you are a seller, you want cash in your hand and if there's a trade, you prefer trade + top up from the buyer. Not to be told that you need to top up $1k (nearly as much as the OP value his guitar)! It's not like it's a brand name that you can turn around and sell it for a quick cash.
Not too sure how many are willing to pay a high price for that hamer, with what happened to it's custom shop though. Would like to see some raise hand who are willing to pay ... like what $2k?
davidfong22
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I didn't say that. I said that it doesn't mean you didn't want to consider trades. Just trying to be helpful here haha.
Essentially this. There are bound to be lowballers occasionally and there's no escaping. So a simple "no" or ignore will suffice, instead of getting angry and making your feelings known through your sales thread. Like what 17wil said, a little humility helps.
Another example is the guy who tries to sell his koa Carvin. Somewhat similar sales "script" and wall of text with an angry and condescending undertone. It's no coincidence both guitars have been left on the shelf for a long long time with no takers. Sometimes it's not just the price itself, but the mannerism of the seller which makes potential buyers (no matter how genuine) uncomfortable. Not to ruffle any feathers, just an honest observation.
I think as 3rd parties, we have to be fair in our comments.. You say it is wrong for Mammoth to make his feelings known, but in the same breath you took this thread as an opportunity to air your disdain and condemn another seller. Why add oil to the fire when you implied it is wrong for Mammoth to feel angry for Colin Boon's actions? Why drag other people into this dispute between 2 people?
Nicholasim
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I don't see anything wrong with it. He is just stating his opinion, which I agree with. If you are selling a guitar, you don't want to make potential buyers uncomfortable. By talking the way he does in the main post, it's exactly what he is doing.
I'm not going to mention names here, but there are a few sellers who have trouble selling their stuff because of the way they speak. Things like "don't ask stupid questions, I already stated in my post" or "don't come and tell me you can buy one brand new for $xx"
This is basic customer service. Guitarsan was just giving his opinion which people can take as advise.
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