Weekend Sale: Rare USA Warmoth Custom hardtail Stratocaster

mammoth

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$1100 if deal by this weekend. I lowball myself by underpricing my guitar by more than half its cost doesn't mean you can overprice your guitar or quote Swee Lee 1st hand price and tell me to topup for your cheaper guitar, or offer me Indonesia Ibanez and only want to topup $100 to me. So, CASH IS KING.

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Excellent condition, a good deal for serious musicians and guitar enthusiasts, especially since the body is full Padauk and you'll have a very, very tough time finding a guitar with full Padauk body nowadays. Think of this as a fixed bridge Nuno Bettencourt tribute guitar. You'll be getting something far better than a standard production Fender American Standard, it's a Warmoth and the quality definitely shines through. The weight is heavy, typical of Padauk, and the tone is heavy as hell too. Guitar is satin finished with tung oil. Warmoth has stopped offering full Padauk body anymore, only as a veneer. Not interested in trade. I see other used Warmoths price ranging from $1500 to $2000 and above, so this is a good bargain considering the wood choice renders it higher up the price scale to $2000+.

Here are the specs...

Neck: Padauk
Fingerboard: Macassar Ebony with abalone dot inlays, 22 frets
Bridge: Hardtail
Body: Full solid Padauk (Warmoth has stopped offering full Padauk bodies, now they only offer Padauk as body tops)
Tuners: Sperzel USA locking tuners
Pickups: Schecter & Duncan Designed
Controls: 3 way switch, master volume knob
 
I said CASH IS KING, so don't rip me off by offering me some stupid cheaper Hamer guitar that nobody cares about and want me to topup $1000. Don't know how to read, dumb or just acting blur?

CASH IS KING means no trade. Relating those trade offers I got to highlight new tactics used by lowballers nowadays.
 
Actually, mammoth, "cash is king" would imply that a sale for cash is preferred and would be given priority. But it doesn't suggest to any extent that trades are not going to be considered at all, especially in light of the examples given preceding the statement where you do refer to trades.

Might wanna change the statement if you're not intending to consider trades. Don't think one can blame a bystander from misreading your intent.
 
U mean a more expensive hamer guitar. False statement of fact my friend!

I lowball myself by underpricing my guitar by more than half its cost doesn't mean you can overprice your guitar or quote some 1st hand MSRP price and tell me to topup for your cheaper guitar.

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Actually, mammoth, "cash is king" would imply that a sale for cash is preferred and would be given priority. But it doesn't suggest to any extent that trades are not going to be considered at all, especially in light of the examples given preceding the statement where you do refer to trades.

Might wanna change the statement if you're not intending to consider trades. Don't think one can blame a bystander from misreading your intent.

"CASH IS KING" does not equal to "lowballers and rip-off artists allowed", my friend.
 
I noticed that lowballers these days are more thick skinned and like to embellish over their lowballish-ness!
 
You see that mr honest seller. So instead of calling me not very bright, you should thank me for giving you constructive advice.
And maybe you had a bad day thats why you have been trying to intimidate me with profanities whilst trying to seem really smart but in all honesty, i dun think it was a lowball, and im very sure people i had dealings in the past with can vouch for my fairness

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I lowball myself by underpricing my guitar by more than half its cost doesn't mean you can overprice your guitar or quote some 1st hand MSRP price and tell me to topup for your cheaper guitar.

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"CASH IS KING" does not equal to "lowballers and rip-off artists allowed", my friend.

I didnt quote any MSRP too, just a trade value i felt was fair which is pretty far off from the MSRP. Please get your facts down before quoting without any basis. Hope it helps you in the future :)
 
You see that mr honest seller. So instead of calling me not very bright, you should thank me for giving you constructive advice.
And maybe you had a bad day thats why you have been trying to intimidate me with profanities whilst trying to seem really smart but in all honesty, i dun think it was a lowball, and im very sure people i had dealings in the past with can vouch for my fairness

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I didnt quote any MSRP too, just a trade value i felt was fair which is pretty far off from the MSRP. Please get your facts down before quoting without any basis. Hope it helps you in the future :)

http://www.soft.com.sg/forum/showthread.php?273078-FS-Hamer-USA-Monaco-Elite selling $1850 which you probably lowballed down to much lower.

My guitar cost 3k back then, but now Warmoth won't even entertain you if you throw 5k at them.

Yet you want me to topup 1k for your Hamer. How much profit are you hoping to make? Even if we don't talk about underpricing or overpricing, $1850 - $1100 is less than $1000.

Like I said, and repeated, I lowball myself by underpricing my guitar by more than half its cost doesn't mean you can overprice your guitar or quote some 1st hand MSRP price and tell me to topup for your cheaper guitar.

And I quote myself from my advertisement:

"I see other used Warmoths price ranging from $1500 to $2000 and above, so this is a good bargain considering the wood choice renders it higher up the price scale to $2000+."

Still you lowball. I think I'm being too nice by lowballing myself and offering such a low price for CASH DEAL. Lowballers are rampant and taking advantage, trying to make a quck buck off other forumers.
 
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Didnt you see in that thread u posted also that the Trade value for the hamer is 2400.
2400-1000=1400 > 1100
Choice of woods renders it in the price scale up to $2000+. you told me 3k, that's misrepresentation.
You do realise the more you post, the more foolish you seem.
Lets just leave it k. Good luck selling your superior warmoth guitar.
And i really dont see the need to keep hurling profanities at me over private message.
 
Didnt you see in that thread u posted also that the Trade value for the hamer is 2400.
2400-1000=1400 > 1100
Choice of woods renders it in the price scale up to $2000+. you told me 3k, that's misrepresentation.
You do realise the more you post, the more foolish you seem.
Lets just leave it k. Good luck selling your superior warmoth guitar.
And i really dont see the need to keep hurling profanities at me over private message.

No, that advertisement didn't mention anything about trade value of $2400 or any other higher value for trade. If you jack up your price higher for trade it's meaningless because other people will raise up the price for trade relatively too.

I said for used Warmoth should put it further up the price range to 2k+ for used Warmoth. New cost 3k. Now even 5k won't get you a new. This is not misrepresentation, it is your own misinterpretation so who is the foolish one here?

Your Hamer cost $1850 max yet you tried to pass it off to me as higher value, who is misrepresenting here?

If you can't take the heat then don't start the fire. If you don't like being told off privately then don't try to rip people off and keep on flaming me over at private message.

It's amazing you say you don't like being told off in private, yet you come in to flame in this thread, evidently wanting to be told off in public.
 
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http://www.soft.com.sg/forum/showth...-Hamer-USA-Monaco-Elite&p=1253651#post1253651
same guy.
Based on these facts i raised the value of urs by 300. IMO pretty fair. (Especially since no one after a couple of months is willing to pay $1100 for your guitar).
Need me to break it down for you? 1400/1100 = 1.27(2dp)
2400/1850 = 1.30 (2dp)
so simple math makes me the bad guy by low balling you by $45. Im terribly sorry.
i didnt flame you over PM my friend. I was giving u proper responses while u were getting all confrontational and emotional. you should learn to chill a bit.
If you want to you can publicize the WHOLE private conversation and not selective bits and pieces.
Cheers
 
http://www.soft.com.sg/forum/showth...-Hamer-USA-Monaco-Elite&p=1253651#post1253651
same guy.
Based on these facts i raised the value of urs by 300. IMO pretty fair. (Especially since no one after a couple of months is willing to pay $1100 for your guitar).
Need me to break it down for you? 1400/1100 = 1.27(2dp)
2400/1850 = 1.30 (2dp)
so simple math makes me the bad guy by low balling you by $45. Im terribly sorry.
i didnt flame you over PM my friend. I was giving u proper responses while u were getting all confrontational and emotional. you should learn to chill a bit.
If you want to you can publicize the WHOLE private conversation and not selective bits and pieces.
Cheers

In the first place, I didn't mention anything in public about our private conversation until YOU brought it up, so bullocks to your whining about me bringing up "selective bits and pieces". You are the one bringing up selective bits and pieces of our private conversation whining about me telling you off. The whole private conversation is you trying to rip me off and I told you off the way you deserved to, and you are whining about it here.

Cut the crap about the trade value set by your guitar's previous owner - how much from $1850 did you lowball it down to? Like I already said, and it seems you are pretty thick up there it couldn't get in, it's meaningless to put a trade value higher than the cash sale price because the other party's trade value should also go up relatively, which means it all cancels out.

The more you post here, the more foolish you become. Like I said many times, I lowball myself by underpricing my guitar by more than half its cost doesn't mean you can overprice your guitar or quote some 1st hand MSRP price and tell me to topup for your cheaper guitar.

I should be pricing my guitar at 2k, you got your guitar at probably lesser than $1850, yet you still tried to rip me off by telling me to topup $1000 to you when it should be the other way round.
 
Its alright if your afraid to post the convo then, i understand. It's much easier to act tough through private messages.
Im lazy to keep repeating myself so ill let you believe you are right.
1.1k no one want to buy, u sure u wanna price it at 2k? I studied economics last time and it violates every conceivable theory i know.
 
Its alright if your afraid to post the convo then, i understand. It's much easier to act tough through private messages.
Im lazy to keep repeating myself so ill let you believe you are right.
1.1k no one want to buy, u sure u wanna price it at 2k? I studied economics last time and it violates every conceivable theory i know.

Since you are such an attention seeker, post every private message up yourself. Don't be selective, post everything. Let everyone see how dumb you are.

Cut the crap - How much from $1850 did you lowball it down to and how much profit did you hope to make from it?
 
Im not the one being defensive and making false accusations. The ball was in ur court and if you're afraid and want to back down, its perfectly normal. As for seeking attention i think you are the one? with your lengthy replies and your false bravado.
Im not making a profit from the guitar, if the seller was here he can vouch for it. if you need proof on it contact him urself. Maybe he will see this thread and chime in. Once again this is you making false accusations based on emotions and not fact.
Looking forward to see your guitar being priced at 2k next week and selling. your newly proposed inverse demand law intrigues me. higher price = higher demand.
 
Im not the one being defensive and making false accusations. The ball was in ur court and if you're afraid and want to back down, its perfectly normal. As for seeking attention i think you are the one? with your lengthy replies and your false bravado.
Im not making a profit from the guitar, if the seller was here he can vouch for it. if you need proof on it contact him urself. Maybe he will see this thread and chime in. Once again this is you making false accusations based on emotions and not fact.
Looking forward to see your guitar being priced at 2k next week and selling. your newly proposed inverse demand law intrigues me. higher price = higher demand.

Cut the bullshit and stop avoiding my questions - How much from $1850 did you lowball it down to and how much profit did you hope to make from it?

You are the one who falsely accused me of misrepresentation when you are the one doing so.

I'm not backing down from anything, if you want to show the world what an ass you are in private message, do it yourself, I'm giving you face by not embarrassing you in public myself. I think I'm perfectly entitled to tell off a lowballer privately. If you want to make it public and show how you got your ass whipped, go ahead!

I do not need to prove anything, as our exchanges here in this public thread already show how you tried to rip me off yet you still tried to wrongly justify your actions, how you get defensive, seek attention by posting in this thread, and push the blame to me by making false accusations.

I only had to post lengthy replies because you continued to make posts that defy logic and twist the situation. The situation is very clear, I lowball myself by underpricing my guitar by more than half its cost of $3000, you overprice your guitar or quote some 1st hand MSRP price and tell me to topup $1000 for your cheaper $1850 guitar. You tried to rip me off, I told you off privately, you came here to cry father cry mother instead of apologising to me. Dare to lowball, don't dare to admit, no balls to apologise. Ball-less Coward.

It's a known fact that Gibsons' demand went up because their prices went up, admitted by 1 of the Gibson higher ups. But this is not related to the situation between you and me, because like I said, I lowball myself by underpricing my guitar by more than half its cost doesn't mean you can overprice your guitar or quote some 1st hand MSRP price and tell me to topup for your cheaper guitar. I'm being nice by pricing my guitar at $1100 but lowballers like you really take the cake at taking advantage AND trying to rip me off.

I spoiled the market for myself by lowballing myself. I wanted to be nice and sell it at a lowball price to a genuine buyer, but rip off trade artists hoping to make a quick buck really disgust me and spoil this community.
 
I did not pay any lower than 1850. Not avoiding the question.
Obviously no one values your guitar at your low balled price, so you dont have to keep repeating that you underprice your guitar by more than half.
If you think you whipped my ass in Pm by calling me a cunt and a prick then by your standards i definitely got whipped.
If i wanted to repost the message if would be firstly to show how u act really smart and tell people they are not very bright when in actual fact you dont even understand the meaning of your own posts. I no longer need to do that ask davidfong took the liberty to enlighten you.
secondly would be to show how foolish you and incongruent you are. you have already shot urself in the leg in the above posts so once again there is no need.
as seen in the above post you are still throwing empty insults that hold no weight, just like ur arguments on how i flamed you and how i low balled you. No weight. The burden is on you to establish proof that i did flame and lowball you and until now you have just been making accusations without any strong proof to back it up, only strong words. hence my suggestion for u to gain more credibility by reposting our convo whereby you claimed i flamed you. if its true you have all to gain nth to lose.
So until you can post something that can substantiate ur claims, i have much better things to do.
cheers
 
Wow, this is like the sales thread with the highest post count I ever seen! Allow me to chip in with some words of fairness.

Mammoth bro, I feel you. If it makes you feel any better, you are not alone in having to deal with such people.

Last year I was trying to sell my Fender Standard Strat MIM for $450. I got the following responses:

What is the reason for sale?
Why so cheap? Surely got problem.
Can cheaper?
$300 I take
Why no picture?
After sending picture to someone, he said not enough pictures need more pictures. Request complied again then he went MIA.
Woodlands too far for me, deal for $400 at Bedok?
How many frets does it have?

Another time I was selling a MIK Epiphone Les Paul with 3 screw holes and Gibson word on the truss rod cover - authentic features on an authentic guitar. Yet some smart alec came along to decry it as a fake and make false accusations:

Raiyanx Toshiaki:
Is this a fake? Gibson truss rod covers always have 2 screws, never had a 3 screws, I owned many Gibsons before and I know that only the China made copies has triple screws for truss rod cover. And Gibson will never EVER put their name on ANY EPIPHONE guitar!

I posted the relevant facts to expose his lies and demanded an apology from him, but I never got that apology to this day.

Colin Boon, you ought to take a long hard look in the mirror and admit your mistakes man, instead of trolling Mammoth's thread here.
 
ppl will always lowball when buying anything to test the market...but that doesnt mean you could use vulgarity profanity words on ppl...no one force you to sell your guitar at their price...they simply trying to get profitable deal and bargain for themselves...you could just ignore or stick firm to your price you wanna sell or trade....when buying things at shop or outside can the seller use vulgarity to customer for underpricing their items?just ignore thats it...unless you really wanna fight or go physical....so be nice...
 
Seller wanted to sell for $1100. colinboon offered to trade his $1850 guitar and seller to topup $1000. I see it as colinboon offering $850 for seller's guitar, this is really the mother of all lowballs.
 

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