Value For Money Cymbal Deals SG.

[weckl-x]

All bronze has to be cast. Even sheets have to be cast first, before rolling them out into sheets.

The difference is whether you cast a huge ingot which is rolled into a sheet, or cast an individual ingot which = one cymbal.

Before anyone says that SHEET = poor sounding low-budget cymbals, I'd like to remind us all that all Paistes, except the Twenty series, are made from sheets

Btw, B20 refers to 80% copper, 20% tin, and TRACE amounts of silver, not 20%. Otherwise your cymbals would be very expensive :lol:

Anyway, here's some excerpts from Hugo Pinksterboer's book - The Cymbal Book. Any cymbal enthusiast should read it. http://www.amazon.com/Cymbal-Book-Hugo-Pinksterboer/dp/0793519209

On sheet castings

p125.
One of the cymbal manufacturers in this category ["Swiss/German style"] has his B8 bronze cast in huge square bars with a length of 35 feet/10.5 m. These bars are rolled into flat sheets of about 20 times that size.

The rolling of B8 is performed only in one direction. Toomas Paiste: 'Rolling in different direction has no effect on the quality of the [B8] material. B8 can also be rolled in larger quantities,and it needs less intermediate heating then B20, because it's less brittle'. The Paiste sound alloy is, just like B20, rolled in different directions.

On individual castings (which most of us have seen from the agop/bos factory videos)

Some excerpts (p.116):
The individual castings are heated up again to almost melting stage, around 1500F/800C.
The rolling is done seven to fifteen times (for thin cymbals). Every time the metal has to be reheated.
With each pass the casting is rolled in a different direction.
Pinksterboer:"This results in even thickness and an optimal molecular structure."
On the other hand: "Heating and rolling are two sources for future differences in sound between 'identical' cymbals."

 

[drum_hobbyist]

B20 Cast Cymbal - 80% Copper 20% Tin

B8 Sheet Cymbal -92% Copper 8% Tin

For the time being... Turkish will be a good buy... but still what is the sound you are looking for?

 

[Phanto]

something that is really versatile, my cheap paistes sound seriously like crap, very 1 dimensional.

anyway, i went down to drum resource today, and tried out the istanbul samatya. SO DAMN GOOD. gona add on a 18inch traditional istanbul crash. and a 10 inch istanbul splash/12 inch splash.

AND booya! my tama swingstar is pimped out.

Bought my swingstar second hand awhile ago, the skins were a mixture of remo weatherking pinstripes and evan g1s, i just got my hands on the evan duno what special "e***" bass drum skin, and replacement g2s batters and resonants for my toms and snares.

will post pics when its all done. shiookkk

 

[marcdadrummer]

D_H.. u referring to me har?? hehe... i want something that has a really cutting bell, with a semi-dry bell.

oh thanks weckl-x for the insightful info... Paiste has byzance series ah?? their twenty series they say they get blanks of hand crafted bronze?? what does that mean??

 

[drum_hobbyist]

Phanto... before you get the Istanbul Traditional... give Turkish Classic a listen... :idea:

Marc... then Turkish may be the one you are looking for... good cutting bell... :wink:

Byzance is by Meinl... 8)

 

[weckl-x]

Lol, yeah. Too much bronze in my mind, salah. :lol:

Amended.

 

[Phanto]

alrighty. What are dark crashes good for by the way? i find istanbuls more shimmery than what i have been playing with, its quite pleasing to the ears.

 

[marcdadrummer]

dude.. don't let our advice fall to deaf ears man...

let ur ears do the listening... Turkish cymbals is value for money...

istanbuls are in the range of sabians.. maybe sabian aa/aax series to xs20 series are much more cheaper!!!!!

i dunno how nigel price his istanbuls...

GET SOME TURKEY, GET SOME.

ps: haven't july 1st so no need pay fgl any loyalties yet hur hur hur...

 

[Phanto]

okay okay, i will go and try out the bosphorous and turkish cymbals.

 

[drum_hobbyist]

Ya man... will be getting more turkeys in a week or so as it is now 35% off in conjunction with the Great Singapore Sale... 8)

 

[DullTheater]

ahahahha... now everione is calling them turkeys ah... hahahahahahah
wat the heck..

anyway, its really 35% now ah?? instead of the norm 25%?
den, i must grab that ride.. but DH, confirm ah 35%?

camn.. must this happen when i'm broke...
still want to get splash somemore.. shheesshhhh

 

[mel80]

DullTheater:
http://soft.com.sg/web/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=35491

 

[marcdadrummer]

alamak... see who grab first ah naz... first come first serve.. but i get money only 5 days before july...

 

[alvinthedrummer]

Hey guys, yes....the lab is giving the everyone 35% of turkish and 30% factory metal percussion. Everything WILL go back to normal when GSS if over.

Having said that however, softies who might miss this sale will still get the 25% discount. That is 5% more than even our own students.

I will discuss with my partners to see if they're willing to extend the sale a little longer. But no promises......

 

[kanzer]

haha yea. the turkey is on SALE. haha. hey phanto. u a guitarist or a drummer? haha.. confused.

 

[Phanto]

guitarist, dabbling in drums. HAHA

 

[kanzer]

you bought the istanbuls already? seeing them in your nick already ya. or izzit called avatar. haha.

 

[Phanto]

saving up for it. haha! gona purchase a 2nd hand pearl sensitone snare tommorrow also! my swingstar snare spoilt!, the metal parts rust and stopped working.

well, as a musician, i like to appreciate other musical instruments, but i know if i wanna get anywhere, i gota choose one. I cant decide now, but DRUMS ARE SO FUN! i got GAS syndrome for drums siaa!

 

[marcdadrummer]

GAS stands for - GO AND SEE right??

 

[killerbee]

Haha!

It stands for Gear Acquisition Syndrome actually.