this time its SUGAR, is our neighbour ok???
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thor666
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Guys, go research more first. Commenting based on Today, a Singapore-based newspaper does not yield justice.
Link1
"The cultivation of sugarcane in Malaysia is surprisingly small."
Link2
"... security measures had been stepped up along the border to prevent smuggling of the commodity since the sugar shortage was reported to the ministry early this month.
Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi recently ordered that stern action be taken against those who hoard sugar and raise its price."
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"... Cabinet decided to maintain the price of sugar at RM1.40 per kg in Peninsular Malaysia and at RM1.50 in Sabah and Sarawak.
... the Government was not raising the price of sugar although it was “extremely low” compared with that in other countries in the region, Bernama reports. "
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"Malayan Sugar Manufacturer Co Bhd (MSM) which commands 45% of the sugar market in Penang has been told to submit a monthly pre-delivery plan to the state. "
In short, sugar is a controlled item in Malaysia, they are facing shortage due to hoarders from other countries which they have no export agreements with. I would agree confiscating sugar without prior notice is extremely high handed. But this issue is different from the water issue - Singapore had a contractual water issue which broke down. This sugar issue does not have a contract to begin with.
Please, go read more. Singapore media is extremely biased and leaves out the whole picture. See the light.
Link1
"The cultivation of sugarcane in Malaysia is surprisingly small."
Link2
"... security measures had been stepped up along the border to prevent smuggling of the commodity since the sugar shortage was reported to the ministry early this month.
Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi recently ordered that stern action be taken against those who hoard sugar and raise its price."
Link3
"... Cabinet decided to maintain the price of sugar at RM1.40 per kg in Peninsular Malaysia and at RM1.50 in Sabah and Sarawak.
... the Government was not raising the price of sugar although it was “extremely low” compared with that in other countries in the region, Bernama reports. "
Link4
"Malayan Sugar Manufacturer Co Bhd (MSM) which commands 45% of the sugar market in Penang has been told to submit a monthly pre-delivery plan to the state. "
In short, sugar is a controlled item in Malaysia, they are facing shortage due to hoarders from other countries which they have no export agreements with. I would agree confiscating sugar without prior notice is extremely high handed. But this issue is different from the water issue - Singapore had a contractual water issue which broke down. This sugar issue does not have a contract to begin with.
Please, go read more. Singapore media is extremely biased and leaves out the whole picture. See the light.
detroit_red
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stillwater probably never took a lesson in economics ... :lol:
Panopticon-3
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hay88 said:
no shit sherlock!!
yeah but even then, i too hate singaporeans, and i am singaporean.
Each country's media plays an important part in getting the message across to the people. This is what my Malaysian friend, who lives in Singapore told me.
For example, the water issue.. Singapore media made a big hoo-ha over Malaysia's decision to raise the water price above the agreed price. In Malaysian media, it was depicted that Singapore is being unreasonable because due to inflation, the water price should be increased to match its value in the past. So who is in the wrong? By law it is Malaysia because of the contract's agreed price, but in terms of situation?
I don't know what the Malaysian papers write about this particular issue mentioned, but it probably does not put them in a bad light. I guess the best way would be to read both side's papers and decide for yourself, but few have the time or am bothered to do so.
Pier.
For example, the water issue.. Singapore media made a big hoo-ha over Malaysia's decision to raise the water price above the agreed price. In Malaysian media, it was depicted that Singapore is being unreasonable because due to inflation, the water price should be increased to match its value in the past. So who is in the wrong? By law it is Malaysia because of the contract's agreed price, but in terms of situation?
I don't know what the Malaysian papers write about this particular issue mentioned, but it probably does not put them in a bad light. I guess the best way would be to read both side's papers and decide for yourself, but few have the time or am bothered to do so.
Pier.
thor666
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Strictly speaking, the water issue... Malaysia doesn't have bargaining terms because they didn't put any bargaining clauses (exit clauses, "force majure" and stuff) in the contract, I believe.
I don't think the Malaysian papers put the issue in such a good light either, but if one were a Malaysian citizen, one wouldn't really care as to how Singaporeans out for a good deal got penalized by not being informed. That's how people are - we tend not to care when it doesn't affect us.
Again, I have to emphasize, confiscating sugar without informing IS very high-handed. That's where Malaysia has gone wrong.
My point is - read more and decide for yourself. I don't think time is a factor here - I took 5 minutes on Google search "sugar singapore malaysia" to get the links. Not bothering is ok - just don't comment based on that one biased journalistic view of insufficient data.
I don't think the Malaysian papers put the issue in such a good light either, but if one were a Malaysian citizen, one wouldn't really care as to how Singaporeans out for a good deal got penalized by not being informed. That's how people are - we tend not to care when it doesn't affect us.
Again, I have to emphasize, confiscating sugar without informing IS very high-handed. That's where Malaysia has gone wrong.
My point is - read more and decide for yourself. I don't think time is a factor here - I took 5 minutes on Google search "sugar singapore malaysia" to get the links. Not bothering is ok - just don't comment based on that one biased journalistic view of insufficient data.
If the criminal won't hesitate to target local Malaysians, is there any reason why they should hesitate targeting Singaporeans. Are Singaporeans so special that even criminals should avoid targeting Singaporeans?
First of all, unless you're inside a SG registered car, happen to be flashing your passport around, or yaya telling ppl that you're from SG with lotsa $$$, there're few indicators to differentiate an average Singaporean from Malaysian.
For a would-be criminal, they don't care what's the victim nationality. They care only abt the doing a clean and successful job. If only ppl here have some common sense and realize that they're no longer in the sheltered embrace of SG, and need be on defensive when travelling to MY.
As for the bashing in forums, I think both sides have done equally well in bashing each other. But you guys are also aware of the ugly Singaporeans syndrome, and how some Singaporeans (mis)behave overseas. And unfortunately, it's this kind of ppl who stand out the most, and leave the deepest imprint in the mind of the locals. So, it's not surprising if the locals don't have a good impression of Singaporeans.
First of all, unless you're inside a SG registered car, happen to be flashing your passport around, or yaya telling ppl that you're from SG with lotsa $$$, there're few indicators to differentiate an average Singaporean from Malaysian.
For a would-be criminal, they don't care what's the victim nationality. They care only abt the doing a clean and successful job. If only ppl here have some common sense and realize that they're no longer in the sheltered embrace of SG, and need be on defensive when travelling to MY.
As for the bashing in forums, I think both sides have done equally well in bashing each other. But you guys are also aware of the ugly Singaporeans syndrome, and how some Singaporeans (mis)behave overseas. And unfortunately, it's this kind of ppl who stand out the most, and leave the deepest imprint in the mind of the locals. So, it's not surprising if the locals don't have a good impression of Singaporeans.
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