Snare drums

underaged

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i've been searching sites for info on snare drums, how they work, how shape affects sounds and etc. It seems i cant find any which gives me elaborate info on snare drums. Anyone have reference for me to read on?

Btw my snare drum kinda sucks, learning how to tune - not as easy as it seems. cant get rid of the overtone with a O ring, wad else helps?
 
hey solgrundy.. deviate abit from the thread..

umm if u have bought like a new primary snare and have no use for ur stock snare!!! give me a pm man!! i'd like to buy it off from you.. wanna do a little project for my mate's birthday..

thanks in advance.
 
Mmmm, sometimes there's only so far stock skins can bring you to. Most people change their skins when they get their hands on their new snares, so you might wanna try that.
 
yeah new snares!!!! then the old one sell me!! ahahaha..

try metal snares... once u go metal, u'd never look back to wood again!
 
Most drums will tune up fine if the bearing edges are in good condition. Get quality heads if you haven't already. Another factor is that the snare wires might be stretched out. I've encountered that with some older snares.
 
<LOL thread become buy n sell thread lol. K thxs for the link. still trying everyday to get the right sound. >

Lmao sry bout tt

sry marc e stock snare is e only snare i hav...no money yet to gt a better 1, still saving for lessons

how to gt tt nice "crack" sound ?
 
well if ur an avid reader of the threads around soft, most of them gets deviated from it's main purpose.....

no harm in doing that too...

well sticking back to the main thread, i followed bob gatzen simple method of tuning the snare drum....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qxm3QunDjUs

i've got a hold on bob's dvd on how to tune the drumset which i follow quite abit from there but this video was the one that helped me alot in tuning my snare for the first time..

do note that reading the DrumTuningBible (DTB) is essential to learn and understand the tuning process... yes its very wordy and lengthy but it's very informative and useful....

the link is on the 2nd post...

have fun tuning!!! it's a very fun experience learning how to tune, frustrating at times too.. but once u hit that sweet spot, damn everything falls nicely...

:)
 
i've been searching sites for info on snare drums, how they work, how shape affects sounds and etc. It seems i cant find any which gives me elaborate info on snare drums. Anyone have reference for me to read on?

Btw my snare drum kinda sucks, learning how to tune - not as easy as it seems. cant get rid of the overtone with a O ring, wad else helps?


1) Try tuning the snare side really tight and then play around with the batter side tension.

2) Next you have to check if your snare is out of the tuning range.

3) You have to realistic with what you can get out of the drum if you are playing it in a room with no sound treatment. The best is to bring your snare to outdoor venue or a studio and get someone to play it for you

4) O-Ring? how often to you see drummer in the instructional video using O-ring on their snares? :)
 
thxs for the tips, hope it'll keep coming

when they say change drum heads, what does it refer to?
my snares at the btm of the drum are fine, looks quite in shape.

with a budget of 200, which snare drum would u guys recomend?
or should i just build my own?
 
hi there underaged,
firstly,what snare drum are you using?
lets put buying a new one out of the scenario first.
i would recommend purchasing a drum head that suits the sound your looking for(EVANS & Remo site has all the properties of their heads there) and then experiment with tuning.Because at the end of the day, one can buy the most expensive and exclusive snare drum but without tuning skills, the snare drum will still sound horrid. Get familiar with tuning first :D

cheers
 
First up, I also hate the way there isn't much good resources online. What I know is gathered from many different threads on various forums (and I don't even know how valid the information is). I'll just post what I can remember offhand here. Others can correct me if I'm inaccurate.

Like many others have said before, use the heads. Heads (the skins) have a huge impact on the sound. Whether it's thinner or thicker, coated or clear, etc... if you have the budget, go get a few and try out. But the normal one for snare is coated batter head (the top head), sometimes people also use the one with a "dot" in the center (you can see like an "extra" circle of material stuck on it)

Then learn to tune it. I've never used the drum tuning bible xD I learned tuning in orchestra, and just practiced at it until I know how to get what I want. It's usually quite intuitive lah, if you want it to be higher and tighter, you screw it tighter. If you want it loose and deep, you loosen the skin. After a while you can get the feeling where the head is not evenly tensioned all round, then you can get the feeling for which part of it is too tight or too loose.

Don't overtighten. If you can't get the sound you want from the snare, try adjusting the other head as well (sometimes the top head might be in a good tightness, but the bottom isn't, or something like that). If you still can't get the sound, maybe you're using the wrong kind of head. Usually, thicker and heavier heads (like Remo Emperor) are deeper and drier, thinner heads (like Remo Ambassador) can "sing" more.

Another big problem about tuning is that if your drum is near other drums, and depending on what room you tune it in, you can often hear a lot of off-tune notes and stuff from the resonance. If your tuning problem is that the sound is just not satisfying, then I think you probably change heads (or worse case, change snare) is the solution. But if your tuning problem is that it keeps seeming like a bit out of tune (but the sound timbre itself is nice), then what you should do is move it to another room or something first and play around with it.

Snare wires... usually as long as they're in good condition it should be fine. Sometimes you might get buzzing, or you might feel it's not sensitive enough, etc. This might be because of the drum shell itself. I've never tried changing the snare wires, so I'm not too familiar with this.

Then there's the shape of the drum also. If you want the "crack" sound, I heard thinner snares are better (like 14" by 3"). Deeper snares (like 14" by 8")can get the "pop" kind of sound more easily, apparently because it takes longer for the hit to "reach" the snare wires below, so you hear the drum a bit before you hear the snap of the wire. Wider drums are lower in pitch than narrower drums (usually, but this depends on tuning and stuff)

The thickness of the shell also affects. The heavier and thicker the shell is, usually, the more powerful the sound is, but it also usually means that more of the sound comes from the head, so it's not so complex (apparently). I personally like my thick snare shell (1.3cm thick), but many people don't really like thicker shells.

The shell material will affect the sound. There's many many different materials and types. It's crazy to really memorize all of them, but I think a general guideline is that wood is more "dry" and metal is more "wet" and ringy. There's a lot of exceptions though.

http://www.drumsolo.cc/snare_drums/snare_gallery/snare_gallery.html <- this website is sometimes referred to. Personally I don't *really* trust this, since even with the same material you can get very different sounds with different heads, thickness, size, etc... but I suppose it can give you a rough guideline. If I'm not wrong, the tests from this page was done with segmented shells, which I haven't seen in Singapore before. All the commercial shells I see are ply shells (means they stick together a lot of thin sheets of wood to make a shell), but these are like solid blocks of wood stuck together.

Common "good" woods are maple, birch... most of the exotic woods on this page you can don't expect to see in Singapore-sold drums. If you really want these you'll have to go order them from overseas but I think there's no point in doing so. I personally find that while the material is important, it doesn't make THAT much of a difference to warrant special prices.

Heads and tuning you can use that on any drums. It really makes a huge difference. I changed out the stock heads on my entry-level drumset and it sounded so much better. But if you want to change your snare, you should really go down to the shop, tell them that you're looking for a snare and ask them to let you try the snares and stuff. Haha I don't know if sweelee allows that, though, I bought my snare during the halfprice sale so it was very rushed. Sometimes when I pass by, I just tap the snare drums and it doesn't sound like it's very nicely tuned while they're on display =/ so I don't suppose anyone actually can take them down to tune and test out (I've never seen anyone do so, either)
 
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If your purpose of getting a better sound is for your enjoyment and not recording or performance etc then try wearing ear protection when you play. Your snare will definitely sound alot better. :)
 
Is there any other place that sells evan drum heads beside this??

Name Yamaha Music (Asia) Pte Ltd
Address No. 11 Ubi Road 1
#06-02 Meiban Industrial Bldg.

408723

Telephone 6567474388
Fax 6567417027
 
I think, the problem with snares these days are, they dont come with an internal
mufflers. U know, those that U could adjust its tension. If your snare dont have one, try getting an external one, those that you could clamp on the hoop.
 
!!!! i don't use ear protection lol.

Btw what i am trying to overcome is the overtone, as in when u strike it the irritating sound comes out. i'll go look for a new head, hopefully cheap. Damn man i'm a nub at hardware....

Look for "O rings". It's a convenient way to remove the overtone ringing if you're lazy to tune. It does make it sound a bit deader, though, and you don't get nice ringing rimshots anymore. Used to use them, and I still use them on toms sometimes, but never on snare anymore.

I know sweelee sells them, yamaha probably does too. Very convenient to use, though, since you can just put it on or off, and easy to carry around to concerts or whatever. There's also a thing called moongel, some sticky thing that you can stick onto the drum to dampen. Never tried it though.

Finally, the most convenient alternative. Take your wallet and put on the drumhead.

http://www.rockemmusic.com/catalog/images/Remo o-ring set.jpg the O ring looks like this.
 
Is there any other place that sells evan drum heads beside this??

Name Yamaha Music (Asia) Pte Ltd
Address No. 11 Ubi Road 1
#06-02 Meiban Industrial Bldg.

408723

Telephone 6567474388
Fax 6567417027

Ranking Sports & Music, 3rd Floor Bras Basah Complex sells Evans. Or you can head over to Swee Lee to check out Remos too....
 
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