SLS help?

@noiminod
Hey, appreciate the prev. info given (despite WOT) :P
30mins a day? :/ man...
What is larynx shooting? My larynx does go up a little, but minimal, so I jus keep working on letting it sit with Muhms?

@kilk
I'm doing Brett's too. My ear is my coach, currently (which sometimes may be inaccurate or plain wrong). Hoping to get an instructor to hear my voice soon.
 
... but i still have breaks if i don't warm up. i always do lip-rolls before i even attempt singing. even after vocalising i do lip-rolls to decrease tension and then I rest before singing...

hey the part about "REST" after warm up, and before singing, I realised too.
For me is I'll drink some water and rest after warm up, is really important.
Thanks for letting me know I'm not alone, and it's essential.

And yeah, to i'm still trying to do well for F#4 and hope to go G4 without strains this year. =)
 
lets work together then. =D
yeap u need a coach.its okay to do wrong in warm up so u can record and let ur teacher know where u did wrong
 
@jeremy: hey hey! the simple solution to hear yourself? Use the mic on your computer and record you exercises then you can tell if a) you are in pitch, b) you are making the proper vowel sounds and c) you are not pushing.

I remember 2 years ago, I tried singing an avril lavigne song and recorded it. I was disgusted. Utterly disgusted. then after that i just kept recording to train my ear for pitch. Cause it's true what they say. your own ears don't hear what other people hear when it comes to your own voice. You might be unpleasantly surprised. that was my first wake up call. haha.

so yeah, each time i practice, I record. although by now my pitch has really improved, i still fear that it may revert to the initial state it was in so its just a safety measure for me. haha.
 
@kilik
yeah it's important to hear yourself. The first time I heard myself from a mic, as you say, I was utterly disgusted! (I sounded like that?! What the heck?! There must be something wrong with the mic..yes the mic sucks! My voice is fine... err.. is it? )
hahaha
a) you are in pitch, b) you are making the proper vowel sounds and c) you are not pushing
pitch wise i'm not worried, coz I'm a musician myself, quite sensitive la.
proper vowel..hah..that one i'm not too sure..but okok.
pushing? sometimes I really wonder about the difference between pushing and vocal compression and "initial phase" of crossing the bridge (coz you know, can't be perfect when you're still new to mix region).
Yeah, I do my own recording for songs (but seldom record during practice). I've more or less learn to hear myself (and gauge) without external equipment. You know, sound like this conductively, you'll sound like that sympathetically. (and yeah, we always hear ourselves better because we have conductive resonance which ppl can't hear except ourselves).
 
yeap yeap. the bones in our skull vibrate and allow us to hear conductively. but you see, that's where it's flawed. i just recommend trying to record yourself doing a long octave lip-roll and nay nay nay. these are the basic crutches that are the foundation for Singing Success. That way you'll know best if you are doing them properly. Like for SS, i thought i was doing the Mum Mum Mum lowered larynx exercise properly. But after my first SLS lessons, i realised I was doing the vowel wrongly (partly due to my mouth shape and the way I pronounced the 'Mum') and she helped me correct them.

On a side note, there are also some exercises that I learnt in my first SLS lesson that were not in SS. These are similar to the "Mastering Mix" exercises that brett put samples of on his youtube channel. Really useful stuff! You really should go for a couple of lessons to make sure that you are doing them properly, rather than having a longstanding committment.
 
If you've been taking lessons since 2007 with the same teacher and still face the same problems, i think you need to find another teacher. Really, all teachers have their own flaws, and seeing his/her nonchalant reply to your problems such as the hoarse voice etc is quite worrying. And of course the fault lies with the student, otherwise why would he/she be taking lessons? But if the instructor can't correct those faults, then what good is he?!

I really believe it's not the teacher's fault at all, plus it was kinda on and off, not a total of 2 years. But no worries, I've approached another SLS teacher and I'll see how it goes. It might just be my lack of talent haha.


No offence, it sounds like you still have issues with your bridge, but here's an exercise that should help.
Do Wee-wee exercises from top to bottom scale. Done right, the transition from head->chest should be smooth. This exercise, or any exercise for that matter, is not some magic potion that will allow the voice to automatically learn the right co-ordinations. It is merely a guide; it's entirely possible to be doing the right exercises the wrong way.
The other thing to practice is doing a siren, on an EE/OO sound from chest->head, bottom to top and back. Keep doing this all the time.

Don't worry mate, I myself think there's a serious problem too. I know myself my bridge isn't smooth, and my vocal cords weak, that is why it's shaky. I've tried the exercises you told me, actually I already knew about them, but most of the time for exercises, I don't have any problems except for 'mum'. Application to singing a song is a totally different thing for me though.

Before I got into SLS, I had a vocal coach who also taught lip-rolls, and she told me that of her other students, after doing lip-rolls, they could sing as if they are doing the lip-rolls, which means huge improvements, since lip-rolls are kinda what you should sound like properly. Yet for me, I can do the lip-rolls well, but when it comes to singing, nothing changes. None of the lip-rolls helped. Maybe only the first few sentences immediately after a lip-roll, but after that, goes back to normal. My brain isn't smart enough to register T_T


SLS is technique; repertoire is repertoire. It takes a lot of effort to combine the two and sound like a fantastic singer. The thing here is, SLS teachers usually won't proceed to work on repertoire until they feel that the student already has the basics/fundamentals of SLS built into their singing. Reason being that without strong fundamentals, it's easy for someone who's tackling a tough song to go back to their non-SLS habits aka. pulling chest, high larynx.

Gotcha. But is blending in with the music considered that? I mean it sounds detached, like off-pitch, yet still on-pitch. Not sure if you get what I meant haha.


This is quite troubling. Sounds like you're getting laryngitis often (See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laryngitis ). It's not a good sign and honestly if you're doing the exercises right, you should never be getting this. I think 6-8 glasses of water is way too little, especially for a singer. The guideline for normal sedentary people is that amount.. and i'm sure we all know sedentary people don't use their voices 1/10 as much as we do.

Phlegm usually is a sign that you're not drinking enough water or your diet has too much food that produces phlegm, like dairy products as kilik already mentioned.

Put your hand on your larynx and do your exercises. Then see if your larynx shoots up during the exercise.

Ah, probably. However the ENT checkup showed nothing, except that one part of my nose is actually blocked so there might be mucus buildup. The pain or soreness/hoarseness doesn't last for a few days, it's only a little while, probably half to one hour with some water it'll be fine.

I admit I don't drink a lot of water, but I shall drink lots from now on!

And I tried putting my hands on my larynx during exercises and singing, and it really does move up. Any ideas on this?

Lastly, how much practice time are you getting a day, not including lesson time? Cos if you're been doing SLS since 2007 til now and still face these issues, i don't know man, it sounds to me like you're not getting enough private practice time. At the very bare minimum, 30 mins of practice time per day is quite needed -- you can't expect much from the lessons alone.

I agree with you. I'll practice more from now onwards.

Thank you for your long advice, it is a big help. :)
 
Hmm, you mention that you have problems with mums and keeping the larynx relatively neutral, which totally makes sense since the two are closely interlinked.

Put your hand on your larynx and yawn. See how the larynx drops really low during the initial yawning motion? Keep yawning and try to get yourself familiar with how the larynx feels during the yawn. Then try making goofy buh/guh sounds while imagining you're yawning. You should sound bad while doing these; the point is just to get yourself very familiar with how a lowered larynx feels.

The other thing that you can try is to imagine that you're singing with a ball stuck in the back of your throat.

About your bridge, keep doing sirens. They will definitely help strengthen your bridging. I can't think of a better example off the top of my head but here's a vid. Haha he's showing off his 'range' but what the heck, as long as it demonstrates the point.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH5gmbugmxM
 
5) Lastly, how do I blend my voice into a song? Whenever I go to KTV or I record myself, my voice seems detached from the music, resulting in unpleasant singing.

I don't believe it's necessary to blend with the song in order to sound good. Instead, I believe that once your voice sounds good, THEN it will blend. So instead just focus on having your voice sound good, and blending will take care of itself.

The reason I believe this is that great singers will often go out of time and play around with the song in various ways, but their voice still fits into the song perfectly.
 
I don't believe it's necessary to blend with the song in order to sound good. Instead, I believe that once your voice sounds good, THEN it will blend. So instead just focus on having your voice sound good, and blending will take care of itself.

The reason I believe this is that great singers will often go out of time and play around with the song in various ways, but their voice still fits into the song perfectly.

hey just wondering. how long have you been taking lessons with daniel?
 
For me.What i meant that usually people born with 3 octaves is that.we all are born with chest mix and head/falsetto register but since we are untrained. Usually only have chest and falsetto which in total and abit pulling around 2 octaves. So once you know how to access your mixed register, you can hit a few more notes and when u know how to access your headvoice(which you are born with) but dunnoe how to use. Few more notes again so total around 2 octaves.

This is just my own thought.lol
 
For me.What i meant that usually people born with 3 octaves is that.we all are born with chest mix and head/falsetto register but since we are untrained. Usually only have chest and falsetto which in total and abit pulling around 2 octaves. So once you know how to access your mixed register, you can hit a few more notes and when u know how to access your headvoice(which you are born with) but dunnoe how to use. Few more notes again so total around 2 octaves.

This is just my own thought.lol

lol i dunno about that. mine is exactly 3 octaves. G to G. But to sing Mika songs you need 5 octaves. Ha ha. he was trained in opera.
 
3 octaves.quite good le.cause most songs covered in like 2 octaves..
You trained to get the 3 octaves or? The first few time,you already know how to do mixed and headvoice?

Haiz its really sad that most of the people i seen,they can scream(the kind when they see their idols) easily.
They can talk easily by using their headvoice all those.

Is it true that people dont like their own voice? Dunnoe why but i dun like hearing own voice de. Its not bout going off tune or off pitch or what.its just the way we sound. -=x
 
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nope. my 3 octaves i could almost always get them. before i started SS and SLS, my range was about 2+ octaves? my only "training" was from imitating the way my school's teacher sang all those christian songs in an operatic voice. that's how i found my head voice.
 
Haiz its really sad that most of the people i seen,they can scream(the kind when they see their idols) easily.
They can talk easily by using their headvoice all those.
lol you must be surrounded by either a lot of talented males or just a lot of females. You do realize that head voice is easy but chest voice hard for females and it's the opposite for guys yea?
 
I don't believe it's necessary to blend with the song in order to sound good. Instead, I believe that once your voice sounds good, THEN it will blend. So instead just focus on having your voice sound good, and blending will take care of itself.

The reason I believe this is that great singers will often go out of time and play around with the song in various ways, but their voice still fits into the song perfectly.

Voice good you're referring to as in quality? Yeah, but there are more factors such as: mix (as in sound), tempo consistency and pitch. All these are more sound and music technicals, than vocalization. I think KTV can only do so much with sound, especially those with "BMG" speakers that isn't too good, and i think the mic EQ is terrible. But still I guess it's fine okay to just use them to sing for fun. And it's true, you can vocalize at your optimal, but if you lack musicianship, you are only as good as your creativity allows you. And before creativity, the basics such as tempo consistency and intonation are very very very important.

Two things I look out for when I feel "unblended" into the song/mix:
1) My Mic/Vocal volume too loud (usually the case)
2) My tempo is out-of-sync withe song (happened when I started singing with my new equipment, the monitoring had some lag issues.. )

:/ yeah, that's what I experience so far.
 
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nope. my 3 octaves i could almost always get them. before i started SS and SLS, my range was about 2+ octaves? my only "training" was from imitating the way my school's teacher sang all those christian songs in an operatic voice. that's how i found my head voice.

3 OCTAVES OF SINGING OR VOCALISATION? Makes a lot of difference.
If singing, wow, you're damn good i must say. =D




For me.What i meant that usually people born with 3 octaves is that.we all are born with chest mix and head/falsetto register but since we are untrained. Usually only have chest and falsetto which in total and abit pulling around 2 octaves. So once you know how to access your mixed register, you can hit a few more notes and when u know how to access your headvoice(which you are born with) but dunnoe how to use. Few more notes again so total around 2 octaves.

This is just my own thought.lol

Yeah, kind agree with the born with 3 octaves...
but as for the mixed, my understanding for contempo male singers is that most of the time we sing with the chest and mix, and mix can go really really high. We should never sing in legit unless intended to, because legit sounds like really fat falsetto. :/

My state right now is I can only sing till F#, any more will be really tensed up. So I guess my mix has alot alot of work. However, I got my headvoice, and from G# onwards, I can vocalise them quite well all the way to Eb above Tenor C, which will start to strain till F# above Tenor C.
Honestly if u ask me, all I want is a good phat mix till Bb below Tenor C, and I'll be very very satisfied already.
 
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hmmm vocalising i can hit 2 Cs above middle C. I think that's pretty high? That's if i'm using Lip-rolls only.

If singing I can hit.. the G above the C above middle C after I've drunk water and rested after some lip rolls. Ha ha. The highest note I've ever tried in an actual male song was Mika's Grace Kelly. The G above C above middle C for the "i've gone identity ma-a-a-ad!" part.
 
2 Cs above middle C?
wow.. Tenor C then Sop C. is it whistle yet? sorry i'm not very sure about that.
Do your voice sound high ? (haha a bit fascinated)

G above middle C, without tension? that'll be like my 2nd next goal :D
first goal is F# no tension, full tone.
but now, shucks, having slight throat infection.. need to restrain...
 
Hmm the G is without tension, most of the time, if i've warmed up and rested. Don't ask me to do it in the morning. I'll just croak and die. The C is with tension. Cause it's my limit with the lip rolls. I did it by accident when I was following brett's female example for the lip rolls on an octave haha. didn't realise i could hit that high, albeit strained.

I speak with a relatively low voice i guess? but then again we hardly ever hear ourselves the way other people do. I mean, I can hit the G below the C below the middle C. My lowest note. if you want I could let you hear it haha.
 
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